soniczip wrote:this is the most important question and, imho, nobody could give a clear empirical answer, of course. for which, like fallen_horse and alistar, i don’t understand how could the atheist position be sustained.
in the end, i don't define myself in respect to the post's question. or, if you want, i'm possibilistic and prepared to change my mind or direction if given good reasons (or illuminations )
skoptic wrote:This is all far too highbrow .. as a man who studied theology and philiosphy at uni .. i would like to add this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZJ-_OTv ... re=related
(crass swearing and australian humour warning....)
JP wrote:soniczip wrote:this is the most important question and, imho, nobody could give a clear empirical answer, of course. for which, like fallen_horse and alistar, i don’t understand how could the atheist position be sustained.
i think that boils down to the fact of how hard it is to understand that time is not an objective physical "thing", which makes things like "what came before" or any kind of infinity related thinking very difficult. I would recommend reading something like stephen hawkins theoretical physics books aimed at general public to understand (or more importantly, to stop thinking that you DO understand) time and infinity
but in general unanswered questions are not a problem for atheism and science based worldview. Unanswered problems ARE a problem in all religions because they pose to answer them all, science is fine with unaswered and unknown things, and just work to solve them.
JP wrote:soniczip wrote:in the end, i don't define myself in respect to the post's question. or, if you want, i'm possibilistic and prepared to change my mind or direction if given good reasons (or illuminations )
because atheism is not a religion what you say above has to be an essential part of it. You have to change your position in front of evidence - otherwise it would just be another religion (which do not change their positions no matter what the evidence is).
soniczip wrote: i mean the evidence of the nonexistence of god.
Fallen_Horse, that's ok a lot of people do not understand. Judaism is a faith, it's also a faith tradition and a peoplehood. One could say that Christianity came along and created a religion but before that there were groups of people and one group were Jews, hebrews, Israelites what ever you want to call them. My religious tradition says that Judaism is a people and a religious tradition.Fallen_Horse wrote:Hi Sandra!
I'm still not sure about this whole concept of 'atheist Jew'. To me, a Jew is someone who practices the Jewish faith, AKA Judaism. Someone of 'Jewish' descent would simply be Israeli.
So a follower of Judaism = Jew
A 'Jew' by blood or genetics = Israeli
I believe the term 'Israeli' fits because that is the country which blood/genetic Jews have claimed as their land. If being Jewish isn't simply about the religion, then what would the term be for someone who is religiously Jewish but not blood/genetically?
xrodolfox wrote:Until there's a descriptive anthropological term or other idea that takes hold that can explain how jews can be jewish while being atheists from Minnesota, there'll always be confusion on this topic. Perhaps that's what you'll have to do: find a linguistic frame so that all of us can understand this phenomena more clearly.
sandra wrote:BTW there is also a Jewish movement (denomination) known as Jewish Secular Humanist, they are atheist but want to perserve all of the tradition. So they still do all of the rituals and celebrations without the mention or belief in God.
So are you Jewish Secular Humanist then?
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