[quote="beforewisdom"][quote="Fallen_Horse"]"Sub-brand Cow Nation will sell milk from cows which will all live out their full natural lives along with all their calves both male and female. On retirement each cow will have a pension, funded from the sale of her milk.
Sub-brand Hen Nation will sell eggs from hens which will live out their whole natural lives and will be cared for when their egg-laying days are over."
Donald Watson and his wife defined "vegan" as someone who believes it is wrong to "exploit" animals. Not killing them is one step up, for sure, but given a choice I'm sure dairy cows would rather spend their time on a pasture somewhere, getting impregnated according to its instincts rather than artificially inseminated to meet a production schedule rather than living in a stall.
yes and also genetically intact - take a chicken for example, we've messed up their growth rate, the shape they grow into, the frequency of their period/egg cycle AND removed their flight ability. I dread to think how we have messed up bovines . It seems to me like purposefully trying to breed kids with a combo of tourettes, downs syndrome and depression.. even if they have the best life possible how is breeding them at a disadvantage ethical?