RBE.VeganZeitgeist wrote: My statement comes from having discussed this subject on numerous occassions with Females over the years.
Linnéa76 wrote:Phrases like ”free will” and ”consenting adults” often come up in this discussion. But where do we draw the line? Does a drug addict have free will? Can someone with a severe personality disorder give consent? Or someone who had their integrity and self-esteem crushed by repeated sexual abuse while growing up? What about 18 year olds, can they fully appreciate the consequences participating in porn movies will have on their lives?
Also, to be honest, isn’t degradation sort of the point of porn? The contents of the hetero porn I’ve encountered and the fact that the female participants always are referred to as “sluts” makes it hard not to conclude that people get off to humiliation. Obviously, there’s a huge variation, but the mainstream porn that you can come across without even searching for it is very rough in my eyes.
I guess porn reflects people’s fantasies but I also think it affects their views on sex, especially when young people watch a lot of it. I think it makes guys feel inadequate size-wise and I think it inspires them to make certain demands on their partners. It’s heartbreaking to read letters to sex columns by young girls, describing how they’re made to do things that are painful or make them gag, asking for advice on how to make it more bearable.
I don’t have any moral objections to the concept of porn and I’m sure there are films out there that don’t make you feel like you’re watching rape or prostitution. Still… how would you feel if your daughter became a porn actress?
baldy wrote:RBE.VeganZeitgeist wrote: My statement comes from having discussed this subject on numerous occassions with Females over the years.
"The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)
RBE.VeganZeitgeist wrote:What does not seem to have been mentioned in this porn debate is the fact that Females are on average paid 4 times the amount of their Male counterparts. A lack of Equality in any industry is disgusting.
RBE.VeganZeitgeist wrote:In that case if your point isn't to be regarded as 'sloppy' or BS- you show us some more of this 'empiracle data' you refer too.Otherwise one might come accross as being a tad condascending and patronising wouldn't you say? And which specific point I've made lacks 'logic'?
RBE.VeganZeitgeist wrote:Webb wrote:RBE.VeganZeitgeist wrote:What does not seem to have been mentioned in this porn debate is the fact that Females are on average paid 4 times the amount of their Male counterparts. A lack of Equality in any industry is disgusting.
I think you are forgetting that women are typically the "stars" of the film. They have to endure much more than the men do both on and off the set. I'm not sure if you were making some sort of an attempt at a reverse-sexism theory or what, but I certainly don't feel like my gender is threatened because women in porn make more money than men. Also, the producers and directors probably make more money per film than the actors (forgive me for not doing research on this point) and the crew is usually made of mostly men.
You're concerned with one of the few industries that seems, upon first glance, to be imbalanced in favor of women. Women in the U.S. on average make 80% of the income as men, and the gender pay gap is significantly larger in many other countries. CEO's, managerial positions, politicians, law enforcers are all predominately male. This fact could also be tied in with the way porn enforces the gender myth of male dominance over submissive females.
If anything is disgusting, it is the way women are treated in the porn industry, even if their work is consensual.
http://www.xcritic.com/columns/column.php?columnID=1179 The Top 10 Women Directors in Porn.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/ ... porn-women Porn made for Women by Women
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... idate.html
http://stason.org/TULARC/sex-relationsh ... -make.html
People can read these articles and make up there own minds-But to me there seems little suggestion of Women feeling exploited or of them being treated disgusting . I think when you wrote 'the way porn re-inforces the gender myth of male dominance over submissive females'
it raises an interesting question in itself-because if that is the case-who is exploiting who here? (There are many different genres though that do cater for Men being submissive to Women)
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