vegetarians who eat eggs...

[JP]

Just show them this picture:



facebook page for the pic:

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... e=1&ref=nf

...pretty powerful image of male chicklets being disgarded because they are of no use for the egg industry - free range, organic, etc all the same.

[Konstantin]

Fucking disgusting.

[israel]

wow this is a good picture and a good idea

[vegan hal]

no arguments here....

[HumanGazelle]

That is shocking and evil.

That picture is one of the strongest but there is a full album here including many other distressing pictures of egg production:
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.131681616932010.18523.131369396963232&type=1

I don't know if these pictures are all pertinent to any one country's egg industry or not, but the lengthy comment below gives a further description of the treatment of male chicks in the US egg industry.

[JP]

another picture:

[Lordmuppet]

Could we have some sort of warning in the title of these sort of threads? I don't eat eggs and would rather not be (extremely unpleasantly) surprised by such pictures? I would really appreciate it

That or we tell people somewhere to expect some ugly pictures on the Ethics, Politics and Current Affairs board and change the thing at the top to 'read before reading or posting.'

The first is quite easy and doesn't infringe on anyone's free speech. You could just put (warning:ugly pictures) at the end of the title.

edited to say: I was aware of this practice with the male chicks before i came to the thread

[JS]

Could we have some sort of warning in the title of these sort of threads?

+1 from me

[beforewisdom]

I have encountered 2 situations with trying to talk vegetarians into stop


1. People who became vegetarians because they were extreme animal lovers:
- Easy vegan converts.

2. People with an introspective bent who became vegetarian as the result of philosophical arguments
Resistance, some offense. This *group*, *tends* to take pride in a teen weeny bit of moral/political superiority. They do NOT
like being made aware of things that make them realize they are not perfectly living up to their own standards. Other people from this group can sometimes have a strong "I am already doing this" reaction, "I gave at the office, that is enough" attitude.

3. Health enthusiasts and vegetarians for the environment ( small group )
A relaxed open minded attitude about eating a more vegan diet, but no sense of urgency to scale back more on animal products than they already are.

4. People born into vegetarianism as a result of religion
People in this *group* usually seem to be genuinely stunned/confused as to why people would want to take things further. Often they will quote their texts. This group often tends to have an affection for dairy products the way Westerners have an affection for beef.

IMHO, I think one of the easiest ways to get more vegans would be to target animal lovers.....dog and cat enthusiasts, by hosting events that they find useful ( dog training, teaching cats how to walk on leashes ), providing vegan treats, pro-vegan literature and being low key about each.

I have to get more involved in volunteering again and convince some of my local groups with resources to try that out.

[skoptic]

That is SO dark...

[JP]

4. People born into vegetarianism as a result of religion
People in this *group* usually seem to be genuinely stunned/confused as to why people would want to take things further. Often they will quote their texts. This group often tends to have an affection for dairy products the way Westerners have an affection for beef.

agree but with one exception: Jain religion.

Those guys took in the vegan message with so much enthusiasm!

[Konstantin]

I have encountered 2 situations with trying to talk vegetarians into stop


1. People who became vegetarians because they were extreme animal lovers:
- Easy vegan converts.

2. People with an introspective bent who became vegetarian as the result of philosophical arguments
Resistance, some offense. This *group*, *tends* to take pride in a teen weeny bit of moral/political superiority. They do NOT
like being made aware of things that make them realize they are not perfectly living up to their own standards. Other people from this group can sometimes have a strong "I am already doing this" reaction, "I gave at the office, that is enough" attitude.

3. Health enthusiasts and vegetarians for the environment ( small group )
A relaxed attitude, but no sense of urgency to scale back more on animal products than they already are.

4. People born into vegetarianism as a result of religion
People in this *group* usually seem to be genuinely stunned/confused as to why people would want to take things further. Often they will quote their texts. This group often tends to have an affection for dairy products the way Westerners have an affection for beef.

IMHO, I think one of the easiest ways to get more vegans would be to target animal lovers.....dog and cat enthusiasts, by hosting events that they find useful ( dog training, teaching cats how to walk on leashes ), providing vegan treats, pro-vegan literature and being low key about each.

I have to get more involved in volunteering again and convince some of my local groups with resources to try that out.

That's got me thinking, I reckon it's pretty accurate. I think that environmental people in [3] want us all to eat a little bit of meat and don't accept that the best way of bringing down the average is to make their own zero. They also often want to differentiate themselves from animal people, who are more likelt to be vegan, and I think there's a subconcious feeling that not being vegan helps make that differentiation.

Or maybe I'm over analysing it?

[beforewisdom]

4. People born into vegetarianism as a result of religion
People in this *group* usually seem to be genuinely stunned/confused as to why people would want to take things further. Often they will quote their texts. This group often tends to have an affection for dairy products the way Westerners have an affection for beef.

agree but with one exception: Jain religion.

Those guys took in the vegan message with so much enthusiasm!

Awesome! The only Jain I ever met was already vegan.

That seems to make sense with my impression of Hinduism versus Jainism. The former ( please correct me if I am wrong ) are vegetarians just because it is a religious law and that is the end of that. For Jains, the religious law is less about what they don't eat, "just because" and more about why they don't eat it.

[israel]

IMHO, I think one of the easiest ways to get more vegans would be to target animal lovers.....dog and cat enthusiasts, by hosting events that they find useful ( dog training, teaching cats how to walk on leashes ), providing vegan treats, pro-vegan literature and being low key about each.

That is so true - thats why i allways wonder is it good to stop dog fur trade , and tests on dogs for instance because it brings more people aware of cow , rat , chicken abuse - i myself am in to this all because i love dogs and not so sure if i wouldnt have seen youtube videos of dogs in labs - would care much about the rats in labs ect..

anyway yes i think it is very smart to target dog and cat lovers - and to connect dogs in labs and other animal abuse types

[skoptic]

Well, sharing that link on facecrack made a few of my friends go 'oh my god, that's terrible, I'll share!'

They then shared it on the crack saying 'buy free range!!' - I pointed out that it wasn't about that, but general egg consumption, and suddenly their despair at such a situation was diminished (basically when they actually had to DO something about it)

f*ckers