Bigger, Stronger, Faster

[patvirt]

Not sure if there has been a thread about this already.
Watched it last night, it's on cable in AUS.

Was really interesting. Goes to show how ignorant people can be about things. I would never take steroids but that's a belief that I want to have natural strength.
My fav person in the movie was the father of the kid who died, dude was a weirdo.

[JP]

yeah there has been couple of threads:

http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=15233

and another one i cant find now

[patvirt]

I searched and nothing came up.
Maybe I'm just bad a searching haha.

[sosso]

Just bumping this up because I watched it last night.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8kExGzZfuM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9lfwIknpAU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z2DqUr5jcY[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYIQ6Xr_jQM[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=An6kksgGaJk[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gngr6OCayTI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ww7WqrB2M2o[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksw5Yavpa54[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5A2eVg-cto[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV0lnEsTWUg[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmu9Miorkp0[/youtube]

And a deleted scene

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vE6uegoRiFk[/youtube]

[Orkje]

Call me naive, but I was shocked to hear and see Louie Simmons' reaction to steroid use in this documentary. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things, but his idea seems to be: "You train better, harder and more often when using them, which in turn will lead to better results, so they're necessary if you want to be the best."

In short, he didn't even display any disapproval regarding steroids. It was honest, but it did rankle me.

[baldy]

In short, he didn't even display any disapproval regarding steroids. It was honest, but it did rankle me.

That pretty much sums up untested powerlifting. It also should raise questions about following training programs that are intended for people on PED.

[blinki]

It made me curios about how much they tend to take. The sites I googled were suggesting 4-12 times a standard dose a doctor would prescribe for low levels of testosterone. Assuming they start with average levels then they must end up ridiculously high. I still can’t get my head round wanting to do that even after watching the film. I can get the urge to take some but even 4x what they label says is just something else.

[baldy]

It made me curios about how much they tend to take. The sites I googled were suggesting 4-12 times a standard dose a doctor would prescribe for low levels of testosterone. Assuming they start with average levels then they must end up ridiculously high. I still can’t get my head round wanting to do that even after watching the film. I can get the urge to take some but even 4x what they label says is just something else.

From my understanding it doesn't work like that, you start off with a relatively small dose and get good results. So then you double the dose and only see one and half level of improvement. So the gains are exponential rather than linear.

The dosage on the label isn't really a relevant issue as it is intended for a totally different thing. It's like saying its crazy to take a 300mg aspirin for a headache compared to 80mg aspirin to lower the risk of heart attack. Same drug different dosage for different things.

I think this video from Dave Tate helps balance the view of the real effect PEDs have.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBOpXBfw0sE[/youtube]

[baldy]

me curios about how much ... to take. The sites I googled .... for low levels of testosterone.

Your training log will now be monitored very closely for any suspicious improvements!

[Orkje]

It also should raise questions about following training programs that are intended for people on PED.

Good point. Unwittingly using those programs might lead to injuries for people who play the game fairly.

[xJimx]

Good point. Unwittingly using those programs might lead to injuries for people who play the game fairly.

I don't think fairness really comes into it. If you're going to compete in an untested strength/bodybuilding contest of any type then it's obvious you'll be going up against folk using gear. You either accept that or move to a different federation.

[Orkje]

I don't think fairness really comes into it. If you're going to compete in an untested strength/bodybuilding contest of any type then it's obvious you'll be going up against folk using gear. You either accept that or move to a different federation.

Fair enough (no pun intended). To each his own

[tal]

I don't think fairness really comes into it. If you're going to compete in an untested strength/bodybuilding contest of any type then it's obvious you'll be going up against folk using gear. You either accept that or move to a different federation.

Unfortunately, even 'tested' feds like IPF, BDFPA, etc require you only to have been 'clean' for 3-6 months prior to the time you are competing. Before that time you can be up to your eyeballs in gear and as long as you cut it off in time, you can compete in tested, drugfree federations.

[blinki]

me curios about how much ... to take. The sites I googled .... for low levels of testosterone.

Your training log will now be monitored very closely for any suspicious improvements!

I'm not one for jumping off the deep end. I'll need to get myself started on protien powder and take it from there :p

[baldy]

me curios about how much ... to take. The sites I googled .... for low levels of testosterone.

Your training log will now be monitored very closely for any suspicious improvements!

I'm not one for jumping off the deep end. I'll need to get myself started on protien powder and take it from there :p

Creatine is a known gateway to harder PEDs