[quote="fredrikw"]I have two cats, both take from cat shelters. they're both indoor cats because that's our living situation (living in a flat with no direct access to outdoors, a densely populated area with lots of cars, a motorway nearby and also a train track, lots of outdoor cats with constant fights). The oldest cat was an outdoor cat for 8 years before moving in with me (he's now 17), and considering how much beating up he received when he was an outdoor cat I can fully understand why he's completely settled for being indoors, and the youngest have lived her whole life indoors.
The most optimal situation would of course be to not have domesticated animals in the first place, but for me, sharing my living space with these cats, I can't really say that they suffer from this. Of course if my living situation would be different they would be allowed outdoors, but that's not the case and since my cats don't suffer from it as far as I can see or understand, I really don't see the need for them to take the place from a cat from a shelter in finding them a new home.
I think the idea of restriction often is based on projection, that is projecting human feelings of being locked in, restricted etc. If we accept domesticated cats as a necessary evil that is right now, I think having them indoors while given the right care (climbing, chasing, activation etc) is a quite irrelevant addition to that evil.
Yeah it's a tricky one, because I think you've done a brilliant thing by rescuing 2 from a shelter. But it's a shame that they don't have any access to the outside world - it would nice if they had access, but chose
not to go outside (impractical in your flat I appreciate!). Where I used to live my 2 got into some scrapes which required trips to the vet - but still went out every day and night.
I suppose I don't see a lack of access as 'suffering' - obviously that's too strong a phrase for denying something that maybe they have never even experienced - it just leaves a sour taste in my brain. I don't need to project anything onto my cats - the frequency and regularity with which they go outside lets me know what they think!
All good to get another viewpoint