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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby DC Runner » Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:23 pm

HumanGazelle, I'm volunteering as a timing assistant at NYC Marathon on the finish line. I'll have to give you a shoutout as you're finishing. I'm signed up for London next year, hoping to win the lottery. Have you done that one? They're not very friendly with guaranteed entry options for folks outside the EU.

Good luck in your training - looks like things are shaping up nicely for you.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Fri Aug 26, 2011 10:36 am

DC Runner wrote:HumanGazelle, I'm volunteering as a timing assistant at NYC Marathon on the finish line. I'll have to give you a shoutout as you're finishing. I'm signed up for London next year, hoping to win the lottery. Have you done that one? They're not very friendly with guaranteed entry options for folks outside the EU.

Good luck in your training - looks like things are shaping up nicely for you.


Thanks DC - will look out for you. On the day, I'll be in a Vegan Runners top most probably. But I'm also going to be in town for a few days afterwards, so let me know if you're around too.

I've not done London before (this is only my second marathon) but it's as oversubscribed as NYC so it is tough getting a lottery place. I only got a guaranteed place in NYC this time because of 3 consecutive rejections previously.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Mon Aug 29, 2011 1:02 pm

Mon, 22 Aug
rest

Tue
1k easy
600m x4
1600m x2
2k easy

Wed
rest - my right foot was a bit bruised today, so this week I decided to take it somewhat easy and save up for the long run. Today I opted for cake with Talyn instead.

Thu
6 miles

Fri
rest

Sat
4 miles

Sun
17 miles
I've found it helps to deliberately walk for a minute, every 4 miles or so. Miles 14 and 15 I was pretty shaky but from that point on, I tried to keep the pace up and my last 2 miles ended up feeling pretty strong.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:53 pm

Mon, 29 Aug
rest

Tue
5 miles

Wed
Took a night off as I got a free ticket to the Proms. Yo-Yo Ma played a great new concerto by minimalist Graham Fitkin which, unexpectedly, far outshone the Beethoven 9th of the second half.

Thu
4 * 100m, 350m
4 * 600m
2 * 1600m
2k cooldown (I must have worked hard as I couldn't have run it fast if I'd tried)

Fri
rest

Sat
4 miles

Sun
20 miles. I ran this in 3:23 which I was pretty pleased with. I made the mistake of running my last 4 miles along the South Bank which was extremely busy, so I was starting and stopping constantly and lost all my rhythm, which probably cost me about 10 mins. It was also the point where I received the most dickhead heckles (people demonstrating at the top of their voice that they could read my Vegan Runners top).
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:58 pm

I've got to the 20 mile mark in good time (I have 2 months to go). Good news is that this has come reasonably easily and without injury. So now I have a couple of options for the long runs, whilst building up the overall weekly mileage and the number of pace runs:

- bring it back down to 12-13 miles, and build up 3 miles a week again
- alternate 12mile/21mile long runs

Still trying to decide which approach to take (there are all kinds of opinions and different plans online, so I'm unsure which I actually follow).
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby soniczip » Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:48 pm

i can't really help here. both sound resoanable. maybe first approach is safer?
i'm focusing on some kind of stuff
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:00 pm

Mon, 5 Sep
rest

Tue
5 miles

Wed
rest

Thu
4 * 100m, 350m
4 * 600m
2 * 1600m
2k cooldown

Fri
rest

Sat
8 miles

Sun
14 miles
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby DC Runner » Mon Sep 26, 2011 2:09 pm

HG, I know I'm offering my 2 cents pretty late here. My preference would be three consecutive weeks in that range, followed by a down week. So current week: ~20, current week +1: ~21, current week +2: ~22, current week +3: ~12-13, current week +4: ~20, etc. I think your second proposed option looks good too and that would give several long runs with a nice mental break by stepping back every other week.

What did you decide to go with?
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:42 pm

Mon, 12 Sep - rest
Tue - Intervals: 1k, 2k, 2k, easy. Total 5 miles
Wed - 5 miles
Thu - played an open mic night, first public appearance in a while
Fri - rest
Sat - rest (off on holiday)
Sun - 7 miles
Went to stay in Brightlingsea for a week, to have a writing holiday.

Mon, 19 Sep - 14 miles
Tue - rest
Wed - 7 miles
Thu - 7 miles
Fri - rest
Sat - rest. Back from holiday. Got badly hungover from 2 glasses of wine last night. Such a lightweight.
Sun - 8 miles
Established a nice coastal 7-mile circuit. My long run consisted of doing one circuit, stopping at home to hydrate, then running back round the other way. Would have considered a third but it was getting dark.

Mon, 26 Sep - 18 miles evening run - was terrible
Tue - rest
Wed - Intervals: 1k, 2k, 2k, easy. Total 5 miles
Thu - rest
Fri - rest
Sat - 8 miles
Sun - 23.5 miles
Because I felt under the weather last weekend, I postponed my long run to a work evening - bad mistake, as it was pretty much the slowest and least enjoyable run I've ever had. But I capped it at the end of the week with a long run where I accidentally mis-calculated a 20-miler and ended up running practically a marathon.

Mon, 3 Oct - rest
Tue - 6 miles
Wed - rest. board-gaming session
Thu - rest
Fri - rest
Sat - 8 miles
Sun - 19 miles
Busy work week, missed a couple of sessions.

Mon, 10 Oct - rest
Tue - rest. carbo-loading at at Vanilla Black
Wed - 6 miles
Thu - rest
Fri - rest
Sat - 8 miles
Sun - 21 miles
I ran this 21 miles in 3:20 which is probably my best long run pace to date. It indicates a 4-hour marathon is feasible on a good day, so I was pretty pleased with that.

Mon, 17 Oct - rest
Tue - 6 miles
Wed - rest
Thu - 6 miles
Fri - rest
Sat - 8 miles
Sun - 17 miles
I thought I would run a 21 again and check my time, but belatedly I realised I should be starting my taper, as after this weekend I only have one more long run, which will be about 12 miles. So I settled on a 17 and felt pretty good afterwards.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:47 pm

Haven't been on for a while, but I've been continuing training and kept good notes. I've not been able to sustain 5 days a week - these are all 4 or even 3 session weeks. I thought going on holiday for a week would help but it just caused disruption at either end of the week. Also had some long working week as well, with all kinds of serious deadlines to deal with, so running has been far from my mind on a few occasions.

However, I have now run a lot of times where I hit the wall and went past it. Last time I trained for a marathon, I aimed to work up to and then cap at a couple of 18-milers which doesn't quite take you through the wall, and I felt relatively unprepared for what happened at 20 miles on the big day. This time round, I've been able to work my long run up quickly and then knock out a few more. Accidentally running over 23 was a good psychological feat... my time was dog slow, but it gave me a good perspective on the full distance and made the hellish 18s and 19s seem less of a big deal.

Most of this time it was still pretty awful running past about 15 miles but the last 2 long runs have gone pretty well - been happy with my pace and levels of energy at the end, and I have the knowledge that I have managed to keep going for several more miles on previous occasions.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Tue Oct 25, 2011 11:50 pm

DC Runner wrote:HG, I know I'm offering my 2 cents pretty late here. My preference would be three consecutive weeks in that range, followed by a down week. So current week: ~20, current week +1: ~21, current week +2: ~22, current week +3: ~12-13, current week +4: ~20, etc. I think your second proposed option looks good too and that would give several long runs with a nice mental break by stepping back every other week.

What did you decide to go with?


Thanks, DC. I was actually quite keen on trying your long, long, long, short sequence but in the end I had a few interruptions and bad weekends which just made me go with what I could manage. Unlike my last marathon training experience 2 years ago, I've managed to sustain quite a few proper-length long runs this time round, which has definitely made a big difference.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Mon Oct 31, 2011 11:11 pm

Mon, 31 Oct - rest
Tue - 5 miles hard
Wed - rest
Thu - 5 miles easy
Fri - rest
Sat - 5 miles easy
Sun - 11 miles easy

Taper week, with easy runs. Except for Tues where I just felt like I had some energy to burn.
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby DC Runner » Wed Nov 02, 2011 5:48 pm

Your training looks good and I'm sure you're ready to go.

I have had some issues with this training cycle. I developed some pretty bad hamstring tendonitis/sciatica and I'm not really running right now. I'm hoping that taking off for a week or two will enable me to at least run the philly marathon.

Good luck this weekend, HG!
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:15 pm

Phew! It's been a while and I only just managed to bump my training log before it fell off page 1 :oops:

November 6th was quite a while ago now, but the New York Marathon was an amazing experience, from the nervous suspense amongst me and my fellow runners being ferried over to Staten Island, to the way we all suddenly roared madly when we heard the starting gun for the elite runners. Even listening to The Star Spangled Banner was an emotional moment.

About half a mile in I encountered a Brooklyn-based vegan runner also aiming for 4 hours. She was running with a garmin so that was really helpful for me as it turned out that none of the pacers were anywhere to be seen. We formed Team Vegan, resolving to pace each other and spent the first 14 miles or so working the crowds, fist-pumping to every band we passed, acknowledging everybody, high-fiving the onlookers, cheering the runners wearing costumes. Brooklyn and Queens; those were spirited times. I was wearing a Vegan Runners top, with my name stuck onto the front and back. Wearing your name is an excellent strategy for getting crowd participation going, which in turn is uplifting and motivational for you.

After that, when we hit 1st Av in Manhattan for the long, gradual uphill climb, the tiredness gradually crept in. By about mile 16 we were both mainly thoughtful, focusing on running, and having a little less fun. I fell back a couple of times and caught my running partner after half a mile, but by mile 21, when we'd passed into the Bronx, I properly hit the wall.

The last time I ran a marathon I ended up doing a lot of switching between running and walking in the last 5 miles, but this time round I was determined to keep running. I ended up having a very miserable mile, and completely lost sight of the other half of Team Vegan.

When I hit Manhattan again for the final 5 miles, I started feeling a second wind (although in reality I was abjectly worn out but just coping with it better). I pushed as hard as I could and in those miles there was even more enthusiasm from the crowd than back in Brooklyn, but much as I heard my name being called out and really appreciated it, I found it hard to muster the energy to lift my head to the cheering too often. When I did, it kind of felt like I was being British and responding politely :D

I hit the finish line in 4:13:20 which was a bit off my 4hr target but still a 23-minute improvement on my previous marathon. Turned out that the other half of Team Vegan had kept a pretty steady closing pace and finished 5 mins ahead of me, which meant I'd slowed down by an extra minute per mile in the last five miles. I felt like that was still a pretty good recovery after the darkness of mile 21. All in all, it was the most worthwhile pain I've ever put myself through - New York is such a great place to experience under any circumstances, but running the NYC Marathon was something else.

Immediately before the race, I felt like I was sick of running and wanted no part in further marathons. I trained a lot more and a lot better than last time round, and I had a number of other projects planned for the year which, frustrated, I mainly had to shelve in favour of running. But about 2 hours after I finished, when I was sitting down in a Chinese restaurant in Park Slope, savouring my cramps and aches and pains, all I could think of was how much I really wanted to better my time, and perhaps aim for a flatter, easier course so I could finally beat that 4hr mark. Also, I figured that right now I'd be in the best condition to prepare for another, rather than leaving it for a couple of years and losing my fitness again...

However, I have decided that this year I really need to make some headway with other projects - mainly musical projects - so I want my training to be quick and efficient and flexible enough to fit around anything else. So right now, I've been doing interval training and HIIT bodyweight exercises. Mostly my workouts are 20-30 minutes, although at weekends I'm making the most of the daylight to do an hour's run or so. My upper body strength is pretty feeble so it is kind of good to be working on that for a change, instead of just running. But I'm enjoying the feeling of sprinting 100m, 200m bursts repeatedly, intending to work it into a reasonably regular 5k park run (if I can just muster up the nous to get to Hackney Marshes by 9am on a Saturday)...
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Re: New York Marathon - I used to be a runner, I think

Postby HumanGazelle » Wed Jan 11, 2012 11:16 pm

Oh yes and hello again, VF. It's been a while and I've missed you :)
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