I agree with all that has been said, but I have never seen a philosophical basis as sound as Francione's. My ethical views are firmly grounded in logic, and therefore I need logical reasons for why I do what I do. Francione helps put the philosophy of AR on a firm basis, with solid arguments and strong examples. Yes, he is more of a 'talker' than a 'doer', but we need talkers just as much as doers I believe. JP
, he does harp on Singer quite a bit, which I am not terribly happy about either, but I think that's because most of the philosophical discussions he encounters are rightists vs. welfarists, hence his focus on that. However, his article goes into detail about AR vs. the prevailing philosophy, which is the takeaway message I was looking for anyway.xJimx
, I would agree with you, except people seem to get equally defensive no matter what we say in a debate! If they aren't open to sweeping philosophical discussions, they probably wont change their mind anyway.beforewisdom
, like so many topics on this forum, I partially agree with you.
I firmly believe the human population will continue to skyrocket, until this planet looks nothing like we know it today, and that nothing can possibly be done about that. Do I think it's terrible, and horrific, and troubling? Yes, of course, just as I hate the amount of animals killed each day for food. If you think people are resistant to veganism, just wait until you tell them how many kids they can have! You WON'T be able to tell people how many kids they can have, they simply won't listen. Not a single person I have ever talked to supports reasonable government limits on how many children someone can have, and I have spoken with vegans, hippies, socialists, etc. People will not go for it. That sucks, but that's how it is. So until we turn the majority of the world into dictator-like countries (cough*China*cough), there will be no limit to how many children people will have.
Fighting to save habitats is great, investment in lab meat is great, new medical testing is great (specifically computer simulations I think will be useful quite soon), but I don't think any of those things will save as large amounts of animals as convincing people to go vegan will.