Halal Meat Being Forced On British Carnists?

[mabli]

Interesting recent tribunal ruling

[thestoatyone]

Interesting recent tribunal ruling

This is awesome. Trufax.

[Big Good Wolf]

Update on the boots.

I got them, it's these ones here, and they seem OK except I the insides look a bit too realistic for my liking.

My manager told me that officially they cost £32 and the company would pay a maximum of £25, so I would have to write a cheque to the company for £7. Unofficially, he told me to just wear the boots and say nothing. I haven't been chased for the £7 yet.

In the U.S. even to bring up issues like those would put your job at risk, let along worries about getting the boss to go along with you.

Although I work for the UK's biggest public transport company, our depot is quite small and is run more like a family business. The management at depot level are very helpful with stuff like this.

[Big Good Wolf]

Back on the subject of newspapers, the Daily Heil has sunk to an all time low, blaming the teacher's strike for a girls death.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... losed.html

Edit; They've altered the title and toned it down a bit now.
Click on "Worst rated" on the Comments section to get an idea of what sort of people read the Daily Mail.

[etherspin]

I just finished working with a seriously loony muslim girl (the loon factor not being connected to the muslim factor) and she was in a habit of telling people the way things were (in her mind) , starting by saying "Let me tell you ..." then "in the bible" if she was talking to a christian and in my case (the only vegan at work) "Animal Rights people" ... the one she spouted many times was "animal rights people prefer halal slaughter because it cuts one specific blood vessel taking blood to the brain so the animal feels no pain."

amongst other wonderful things she said... my sister has schizophrenia, the girl asked me if perhaps my sister was possessed by a jinn ....

when she was applying to work at other schools (woohoo!!) I warned her off one because I had worked as assistant to the principal of one of the schools for 3 years and said she was a highly manipulative,sour lady ... muslim girls reply ? the prophet said, when a woman stands up,satan sits down ... - this is because he can relax as the woman may do his work ... she then told me she would pray that afternoon that she won't become like that woman..

her replacement seems very nice

[Big Good Wolf]

Another thread resurrection.
I saw this and it reminded me of the Daily Mail discussion here.

[etherspin]

This is an issue that really bothers me. There was a story last year about this which obviously the sun et al used to fuel racial tensions. I had a discussion with a guy at work who was disgusted that he had possibly eaten halal meat. This guy (and the public at large) seem to think that a bolt gun kills the animal outright.

AFIK the bolt gun is not used to kill the animal outright, and rarely does. It's meant to basically make the victim braindead/unconscious. The animal is kept alive - their heart needs to be beating so they can be bled. However, sometimes it merely paralyses the animal and they still feel pain. (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Now Halal slaughter sometimes involves slitting the throat while the animal is still conscious. However, in the UK, 4 out of 5 halal slaughters involve stunning the animal first which means they are essentially the same as what people regard an "ethical" slaughter - apart from one detail which is saying a prayer before the throat is slit. True, there is still 1 out of 5 which isn't stunned - but how many bolt gun's fail in their purpose?

I just feel that the media exaggerate the difference and this has indeed caused more resentment to muslims. But what sickens me is that people sit there eating their red meat while somehow taking the moral highgound.

Off topic but in my opinion, halal slaughter is irrelevent when it comes to industrialised meat production. It was originally meant to be a sacred ritual in which the animal to be slaughtered was shown a degree of respect (they would not allow the animal to see the knife, it was done out of the sight of the other animals etc., still wrong but it's not what I'm getting at). When it comes to a conveyer belt of murder, why bother? There is no respect in this situation.

I'm an Atheist, but I get really annoyed by this ignorant hate against muslims/ethnic minorities.

Edit: http://www.rspca.org.uk/servlet/Satelli ... inary=true

I may have underestimated how many halal slaughters involve stunning - The MHS "Animal welfare review" (2004) showed that "90% of halal slaughter involved pre-stunning".

Also this is quite interesting (but probably not reliable):

Experiments for the objectification of pain and consciousness
during conventional (captive bolt stunning) and religiously
mandated (ritual cutting) slaughter procedures for sheep and
calves.
By W. Schulze, H. Schultze-Petzold, A.S. Hazem, and R. Gross

I came across it on a pro-halal site which used this as "evidence" that halal is more ethical. But it was released in 1978 so is probably irrelevent really, if you're going to cite journals they should be as recent as possible with the best possible technology/method.

Had a muslim girl at work (an idiot, not a muslim idiot, just a massive idiot) and she explained that the prayers over the animal are to make the slaughter permissible and the slaughter method is supposedly to cut off or lower blood pressure to the brain and stop the animal feeling pain .
So my take on this is, white aussies,english and americans think stunning is more humane and muslims all round the globe think halal is more humane.
If either are actually concerned they have the option to eat something else.

[Fallen_Horse]

So my take on this is, white aussies,english and americans think stunning is more humane and muslims all round the globe think halal is more humane.
If either are actually concerned they have the option to eat something else.

Thread SOLVED

[Big Good Wolf]

Another year on, another thread resurrection.

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http://shouldireadthedailymail.com/