Halal Meat Being Forced On British Carnists?

[beforewisdom]

haha brilliant work beforewisdom!

(fixed a typo on your url, the link works now)

CENSORSHIP!

[Hiking Fox]

Good shout HF! I'd have put the bbc between the times and the observer though, do you really think it's as bad as the mail?

Definitely not in terms of hate-filled scare-mongering, but it does share the same "this is serious and educational, honest" approach, while actually being dumbed down and pretty reactionary.

For example, in the years that I did full-time campaigning, I only ever ONCE got the BBC to run with a press release. Guess wot that was for?
...

Viagra being tested on animals.

[Hiking Fox]

the Financial Times is read by people who own the country;

I quite like the Financial Times; it contains nothing but news and there's very little opinion in it on anything besides the economy. It is a very geeky paper.

Also, it's pink, which is great, cos people can spot it from a distance on a train and know how clever you are.

See, look how clever this chap looks:

[beforewisdom]

That sounds similar to The Wallstreet Journal, which leans to the right being a business paper, but they usually don't put a spin on articles, instead giving only the news.

[Hiking Fox]

Another thing to watch out for is the cunning, serif trick.

See how the Daily Fail uses a serif font headline in this feature about dustbins, to give it a serious news look:


...because serious broadsheet papers tend to use them, thus:



...whereas more trashy tabloid papers tend to use sans serif fonts (NB but NOT Comic Sans; that would be silly):

[Gelert]

Another thing to watch out for is the cunning, serif trick.

See how the Daily Fail uses a serif font headline in this feature about dustbins, to give it a serious news look:

It would pass muster a little better if it didn't have CAPSLOCKFAIL though.

Actually, the taxonomic splitter in me can sense the making of a dichotomous key to classify the newspapers on the serifness and caps.

[beforewisdom]

I did not know that the Sontarans had returned to menace Dr. Who again.

[Big Good Wolf]

I found this and it didn't seem worth starting a new thread for, so I'll post it here as it's sort of on topic.

Story on the Times website.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 052580.ece

By the time it got copy & pasted on to the Daily Mail website the following day, it had become "controversial".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eists.html

[Talyn]

I found this and it didn't seem worth starting a new thread for, so I'll post it here as it's sort of on topic.

Story on the Times website.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 052580.ece

By the time it got copy & pasted on to the Daily Mail website the following day, it had become "controversial".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eists.html

LOL. Nice find mate.

My favourite line from the Daily Fail article:

The Pope has also described the Bill as 'unjust', restricting religious freedom and violating 'the natural law'.

They got comment from the pope? Those fucking vegans are getting around eh!

[beforewisdom]

I found this and it didn't seem worth starting a new thread for, so I'll post it here as it's sort of on topic.

Story on the Times website.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/p ... 052580.ece

By the time it got copy & pasted on to the Daily Mail website the following day, it had become "controversial".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eists.html

If I was British I would get dual coverage being a vegan and an atheist, but I don't know how I feel about such laws. I did find the comments from various religious officials amusing. They have had centuries of special privileges given to them and now that other people might be eligible, they are crying "no fair!".

[Hiking Fox]

If I was British I would get dual coverage being a vegan atheist, but I don't know how I feel about such laws.

The way it works in practice is like this:

A high-up official who worked for a large company had strong environmental beliefs that made him reject air travel in all but exceptional circumstances. He didn't have an issue with people flying across the Atlantic, say, but he did feel that flying from London to Paris was completely unjustified environmentally, when you could drive and get the ferry, or get the train.

His employer kept arranging meetings in places like Edinburgh and Paris and expecting him to fly there. He refused and said he'd get the train. The cost for both was similar, but flying saved over an hour each way and meant he didn't have to make overnight stays.

His refusal to fly led to him being sacked. He claimed Constructive Dismissal and went to court. He won, on the grounds that his environmental beliefs were an important and consistent part of his day-to-day life (i.e. he was green in lots of other ways, that he could demonstrate and that witnesses could back up) and not just something he'd thought up to be awkward after first being asked to fly.

That's the crux of the issue, really.

[Big Good Wolf]

I'm currently testing how it works in practice too.
In the UK, employers must supply their employees with PPE (Personal Protective Equipment).
I asked my manager for a pair of vegan safety boots.
He said no problem and later the same day the parts man mentioned that he had ordered my boots.
The next day, my manager told me the order had been denied by a higher up manager and I would need to put in a formal request.
I mentioned this new law and how discriminating against a vegan would be the same as discriminating against someone on grounds of race or religion.
My manager supports me and is trying to get me the boots. He showed me the email he got from higher up and the leather boots we normally get are between £12 and £22. The only non leather boots the supplier we use sells are £30.
That's as far as we've got at the moment. I'm waiting to hear back.

[Konstantin]

I'm currently testing how it works in practice too.
In the UK, employers must supply their employees with PPE (Personal Protective Equipment).
I asked my manager for a pair of vegan safety boots.
He said no problem and later the same day the parts man mentioned that he had ordered my boots.
The next day, my manager told me the order had been denied by a higher up manager and I would need to put in a formal request.
I mentioned this new law and how discriminating against a vegan would be the same as discriminating against someone on grounds of race or religion.
My manager supports me and is trying to get me the boots. He showed me the email he got from higher up and the leather boots we normally get are between £12 and £22. The only non leather boots the supplier we use sells are £30.
That's as far as we've got at the moment. I'm waiting to hear back.

I don't know if this helps but I knew two veggie posties who worked from the same sorting office. Posties normally get given a pair of new shoes every six months, but they're leather. These two explained it wasn't suitable for them and instead they got given money to spend at vegetarian shoes, as long as they got a receipt. They were also able to add to it out of their own money to get better shoes if they wanted to.

Let us know how you get on.

[beforewisdom]

Wow, this is very impressive. In the U.S. even to bring up issues like those would put your job at risk, let along worries about getting the boss to go along with you.

[thestoatyone]

Keep us posted BGW, I had that problem with a temp job I had to take when I was out of work for a spell, ended up having to suck it up and borrow a pair of cow-skin boots :S