very interesting posts and point of views. i particularly liked reading the discussion between fallen_horse and johnboy74. i'd like to develop 2 points and introduce other 2. please forgive me if others did already. if they did, i missed them, or maybe they weren't properly analysed.#1
fallen_horse wrote:we still don't know what caused the big bang, and what came before. this is unexplainable today. this could be easily attributed to a god.
alistar wrote: but of course this doesn't explain what caused the big bang to "explode" into existence in the first place. the big bang can't just burst into existence from nothing can it? seems competely illogical to me in the same sense that god could have created her/himself. or consciousness just created itself. perhaps the buddhists are right and consciousness never had a begining and instead has just always existed
this is the most important question and, imho, nobody could give a clear empirical answer, of course. for which, like fallen_horse and alistar, i don’t understand how could the atheist position be sustained.#2
i wouldn’t feel very comfortable by defining myself agnostic either, cause if
fallen_horse wrote:this could be easily attributed to a god
this god, something or whatever you want to define it, could act in a way reason can’t grasp it. it could reveal itself through other means. would it not be interesting evaluating non rational explanations? i’m just letting logic flow here.#3
also, something else which is interesting, and hasn’t been covered i think, is the concept of infinity, strictly connected to the above mentioned, unanswered question.
how do you explain infinity? i’m not necessarily, or only, interested in religious or philosophical answers ... let’s say hypothesis, ok? i’m interested in scientific point of views as well. have you read books on the topic? can you suggest something?#4
the other important question which arises from the god existence/nonexistence debate is: how can morality be defined, and love, and ...? do they exist? are they just nature’s excogitations to perpetuate itself? the existence of a god communicating with us could solve the problem. but, hey, maybe that’s why religions are so popular. but how do nonbelievers justify their morality? there are many people and many moralities, different conceptions of what love, pride, generosity, etc. are. i think somebodyelse pointed this out, but i can't remember who.
again, any book you can recommend?
apart from these points, i like johnboy74's determination of living his life as it will end with his death. life must be enjoyed now. by the way, i met believers and nonbelievers alike partake of this spirit.
in the end, i don't define myself in respect to the post's question. or, if you want, i'm possibilistic and prepared to change my mind or direction if given good reasons (or illuminations