EceGled wrote:Gelert wrote:I'm glad you are aware of the distinction. As ye train, so shall ye fight
Oh, Gelert. Do you kill people while training? You said you'd be okay with killing someone who attacked you, so - taking all you've said into account - I can only assume you'd be okay with killing your training partner.
Training must be REALISTIC and RELEVANT for it to have any value. Sometimes that involves a certain, balanced amount of danger or risk but that must be managed carefully to ensure it is as safe as possible. That does not mean that killing students is part of the deal. You're being offensively facetious.
The maxim of "as ye train, so shall ye fight" - similarly rendered as "train hard, fight easy" (that one should be familiar to the Spetsnaz wannabes as it originated from a Russian General) has absolutely nothing to do with endangering trainees.
Let's be clear here - the most dangerous training is that which does not prepare the student for the situation in which they will find themselves in.
That may be because it is unrealistic or irrelevant.
And to my mind that is what this systema stuff is showing. I see fat blokes in combats using the efficiency of their skills against compliant students as its "proof", and plenty of images of said fat blokes with sniper rifles, ghillie suits and entrenching tools, lapsing over into the side of paramilitary training.
Let's be clear - similar training has resulted in trainees being hurt in other schools. Within the gate of the school. It's a fair bet that others get hurt by its application later on, in RL.
What do you want out of a self protection system, EceGled, something that works, with a minimum of bullshit, or an excuse to fantasize about being a Russian commando?