Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

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Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby ha » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:09 am

We have Scott Jurek and a few others from the www.organicathlete.org team.

Carl Lewis said he ran his best as a vegan. http://www.earthsave.org/lifestyle/carllewis.htm

Mike Arnstein has been winning a few marathons in the US lately.

Dave Scott said 'he wouldnt eat anything with a face, mother or a liver!'

Dean Karnazes( author of Ultra marathon man) wrote this on his blog a few days ago - http://dean.runnersworld.com/2010/03/80 ... ment-19352

Dr Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by going low fat, high carb vegan and went on to win more triathlons than ANYONE else on the planet. www.ruthheidrich.com

Makes sense that a diet high in carbohydrates, phytonutrients, low in saturated fats-cholestrol-uric acid-excess protein creates health and increases athletic performance by providing optimum fuel and minimal digestive strain.

A guy I used to race with died a few days ago in South Africa. He didnt wake up in the morning. He was only 26 and the 2008 world solo 24hr xc champion and a really nice guy. How many more people need to die needlessly cos they havent been educated on how to eat proper?

Jim Fixx thought he could run off the bbq. He died super fit and of a heart attack.
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby Konstantin » Wed Mar 31, 2010 12:08 pm

Good to see you back Ha.

I like this article, and my friend is a Deam Karnazes fan and still eats meat despite actually running a health food shop...maybe this will change him. Interesting stuff, thanks for posting.

And don't forget Rich Roll when it comes to endurance athletes. He's planning his 5 ironman events in 5 days at the moment.
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby LMM » Wed Mar 31, 2010 3:58 pm

ha wrote:Dr Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by going low fat, high carb vegan and went on to win more triathlons than ANYONE else on the planet. http://www.ruthheidrich.com


As far as I can tell from the site you link to, Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by having a double mastectomy.
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby MikayP » Wed Mar 31, 2010 6:10 pm

its a great read and good that dean is making it public, even if he himself may not endorse it fully

theres also this other post he made a few weeks back about his concern with going 100% plant based, but he is considering it

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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby Mr. Cleetus » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:34 pm

Interesting...

be careful with the Dave Scott reference, he's made it pretty clear he is not vegan and I believe not vege (but you tend to see it referenced on many vegan sites).
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby VeganGraham » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:01 am

How many more people need to die needlessly cos they havent been educated on how to eat proper?


How many more anecdotes need to be quoted needlessly cos people haven't been educated on how to base decisions on scientific evidence ?
Most omnivores don't die at 26. I suspect there's more to this than just his diet.
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby ha » Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:19 am

LMM wrote:
ha wrote:Dr Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by going low fat, high carb vegan and went on to win more triathlons than ANYONE else on the planet. http://www.ruthheidrich.com


As far as I can tell from the site you link to, Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by having a double mastectomy.


Having surgery doesnt cure cancer. Changing ones diet and lifestyle does.
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby LMM » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:27 am

ha wrote:
LMM wrote:
ha wrote:Dr Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by going low fat, high carb vegan and went on to win more triathlons than ANYONE else on the planet. http://www.ruthheidrich.com


As far as I can tell from the site you link to, Ruth Heidrich overcame breast cancer by having a double mastectomy.


Having surgery doesnt cure cancer. Changing ones diet and lifestyle does.


If you can't provide evidence for that claim - and you can't - making it is dangerous as just might lead someone with a deadly, life-threatening disease to think they need not seek treatment but can treat it themselves.

In fact while there is no guaranteed cure for any type of cancer, many cancers are effectively treated and even cured by surgery and other cancer treatments.

Ruth Heidrich doesn't say in any part of the site you link to what stage or grade her breast cancer was; as far as I can see she doesn't mention spread to lymph nodes. Early breast cancer is often effectively treated with surgery alone. But breast cancer can never be considered 'cured', as it can return at any time, even years after diagnosis and treatment; Heidrich is in fact in remission.

It's very unfortunate if she's joining the ranks of the likes of Suzanne Sommers - people whose cancer was treated by conventional methods who then go on to claim that they 'cured' it themselves by diet or some other 'alternative' (read 'unproven') method.

There is very little evidence to link diet to any type of cancer except colorectal cancers.

Veganism doesn't prevent cancer, nor does exercise; it really concerns me that people gullible enough to believe such claims might overlook cancer symptoms because they think it can't happen to them. It concerns me even more that people with a diagnosis of cancer might refuse treatment, thinking they can cure it themselves with raw foods and the like.

I didn’t change my diet at all after my diagnosis with advanced, aggressive breast cancer. I had a pretty healthy vegan diet before diagnosis, and a pretty healthy vegan diet after diagnosis. Like Heidrich, I’m in remission and have been for almost six years. Like her, I can’t consider myself cured. Unlike her, apparently, I give credit for my (as far as I know) cancer-free state to the evidence-based treatment I received
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Re: Ultramarathon man going vegan on us?

Postby Gelert » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:59 am

Big Good Wolf wrote:
How many more people need to die needlessly cos they havent been educated on how to eat proper?


How many more anecdotes need to be quoted needlessly cos people haven't been educated on how to base decisions on scientific evidence ?


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