Porn = not vegan

[JP]

I know they exist. I've had the pleasure of encountering a few.

these guys take part in many of the anti-capitalist, larger trade union, anti-war etc things in UK:

http://www.iusw.org/

[helmut]

I don't really see this as a vegan/non vegan issue, but it's interesting how ALL of the most common arguments used to defend the animal industry also are being used in this thread in defence of the porn industry.

i noticed that too!

[Dave Noisy]

I don't really see this as a vegan/non vegan issue, but it's interesting how ALL of the most common arguments used to defend the animal industry also are being used in this thread in defence of the porn industry.

i noticed that too!

No shit.

And whatever we're going to discuss in this thread, it sure as hell isn't going to be the individuals in the industry, and the hell that is their lives.

The rationalization and justification, not to mention willful ignorance occurring here is disturbing.

Taking the 'oh, well any industry has risks' position is a pathetic cop out.

Look into what these people's lives are like, they ways they're abused and exploited, and tell me that after watching them in a porn flick, you really enjoyed it.

Fucking hell people. Serious dissociative disorder happening here. I might expect this from the general populace, but overall it seems most of you are about as willing to truly confront this situation as a meat-eater their hamburger.

[virago]

No shit.

And whatever we're going to discuss in this thread, it sure as hell isn't going to be the individuals in the industry, and the hell that is their lives.

The rationalization and justification, not to mention willful ignorance occurring here is disturbing.

Taking the 'oh, well any industry has risks' position is a pathetic cop out.

Look into what these people's lives are like, they ways they're abused and exploited, and tell me that after watching them in a porn flick, you really enjoyed it.

Fucking hell people. Serious dissociative disorder happening here. I might expect this from the general populace, but overall it seems most of you are about as willing to truly confront this situation as a meat-eater their hamburger.

+infinity

[gauze]

This thread is on a par with "can vegans eat grass".
Not all porn stars are coked up Romanian immigrants getting fisted by college jocks so they can send some $ to their sick dad.
None of the porn I've watched has ever featured anyone looking abused or like they weren't enjoying it, or atleast enjoying getting paid for bending over. I have no idea what porn people have been exposed to to come to these conclusions, but I can only assume it's teenage/young girl fetish shit. It wouldn't exist if men would man up and start properly appreciating chicks with big butts and tits.

There are a shit ton of women out there who love getting fucked on camera, and not forgetting those who are just slags anyway. I could go out to any city centre tonight and get 20+ women to flash their tits, free of charge. Shove £500 in their face and 90% of them would take a seeing to on camera, no question.

[Johnboy74]

I could go out to any city centre tonight and get 20+ women to flash their tits, free of charge.

You fucking wish

[Gelert]

There are a shit ton of women out there who love getting fucked on camera, and not forgetting those who are just slags anyway. I could go out to any city centre tonight and get 20+ women to flash their tits, free of charge. Shove £500 in their face and 90% of them would take a seeing to on camera, no question.

Out of purely academic interest:

Would you take it up the wrong un, no questions asked, on camera for £500?

If the answer is no, then why assume 90% of women would do something you wouldn't?

If the answer is yes, my mate may call with some business.

[thestoatyone]

Gauze mate, pull your head in. You aint Jim Davidson.

I'm sure there are many exhibitionists who enjoy doing porn, and many more besides who don't mind and like the money, but the way you're talking just makes people froth at the mouth and many more besides feel real shite about themselves...

If you want to talk shite, you're training log's been a bit quiet recently.

[Linnéa76]

I hope someone's joking here.

I can't think of anything more ridiculous than an antispeciesist who is a sexist!!

[helmut]

No shit.

And whatever we're going to discuss in this thread, it sure as hell isn't going to be the individuals in the industry, and the hell that is their lives.

The rationalization and justification, not to mention willful ignorance occurring here is disturbing.

Taking the 'oh, well any industry has risks' position is a pathetic cop out.

Look into what these people's lives are like, they ways they're abused and exploited, and tell me that after watching them in a porn flick, you really enjoyed it.

Fucking hell people. Serious dissociative disorder happening here. I might expect this from the general populace, but overall it seems most of you are about as willing to truly confront this situation as a meat-eater their hamburger.

+infinity

2 x infinity!

[helmut]

This thread is on a par with "can vegans eat grass".
Not all porn stars are coked up Romanian immigrants getting fisted by college jocks so they can send some $ to their sick dad.
None of the porn I've watched has ever featured anyone looking abused or like they weren't enjoying it, or atleast enjoying getting paid for bending over. I have no idea what porn people have been exposed to to come to these conclusions, but I can only assume it's teenage/young girl fetish shit. It wouldn't exist if men would man up and start properly appreciating chicks with big butts and tits.

There are a shit ton of women out there who love getting fucked on camera, and not forgetting those who are just slags anyway. I could go out to any city centre tonight and get 20+ women to flash their tits, free of charge. Shove £500 in their face and 90% of them would take a seeing to on camera, no question.

charming. are you one of those people who yells out of car windows at girls asking them to flash their tits? one of the reasons i feel unsafe walking home at night

you can tell people have been abused just by looking at them? THEY'RE ACTORS. they're paid to look like they're enjoying it.

[emm7]

helmut is correct they are actors. Just as prostitutes are paid to act like they are enjoying it too even if they are in a lot of pain. And suffer from psychological problems eg. PTSD (post traumatic stress disorder) as a result.

[Big Good Wolf]

There's a few Fairtrade options for stuff like chocolate and bananas these days, surely it wouldn't be too hard to make fairtrade, ethical porn films.

From what I've see, there's not much in the way of exotic locations, expensives sets and special effects involved. Two vegan actors, a suburban bedroom, a cameraman and away you go. No more than a couple of hundred quid.

I'm not volunteering to take part or buy the finished product, but it's got to be a way to keep everyone happy.

[Johnboy74]

"Biggoodwolf Fairtrade Porn inc." i think you've got yourself cashcow there wolf ;o)

[LMM]

Dave Noisy, brilliant post. Thank you.

There are a shit ton of women out there who love getting fucked on camera, and not forgetting those who are just slags anyway.

Gauze, what exactly is a slag, please? And what's the word for the male equivalant?

I don't know if anyone is old enough to remember the porn 'star'Linda Lovelace, whose most notorious film was 'Deep Throat'? A typical example of a porn star seeming to actively enjoy her on screen activities, by all accounts.

In the late 70s Lovelace wrote her autobiograpy, detailing the abuse, violence and rape involved in her life as porn actor, including an occasion where she was eventually persuaded to take part in a scene she had been reluctant to paricipate in - at gunpoint.

It was a powerful and deeply disturbing expose of the porn industry; I doubt anyone here is able to assure me things have changed since then.