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advice about becoming vegan

Postby klb47 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:31 am

Hi,
I have been struggling between eating meat and not eating meat for around 10 years. The straw that broke the camels back came yesterday when my cat brought home an injured bird, and if that wasnt upsetting enough while i was screaming at my cat and getting the bird and calling the rspca my neighbours were LAUGHING! Needless to say I was disgusted by them but I felt like a hypocrite.
I cant eat animals anymore but ideally I dont want to have dairy either or I might as well eat beef since the calfs are taken away anyway!
My problem is that not only am I lactose intollerant, i also react to soya milk and rice milk (milk protein intollerance apparantly). The only milk I can have is lactofree cows milk. So I was wondering if anyone could give me some advice.
The other thing is that I have severe PCOS and am insulin intolerant so as well as being medicated I have a strict diet to adhere to.... 8 portions of fruit/veg, 6-8 portions of carbs, 2 portions of protein, 2 portions of dairy, <1oz of fat, <100 extra kcal per day.
I realise I will have to discuss this with my dietician but I dont have an appointment with her until june 23rd so I was hoping for some suggestions/advice in the mean time.
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Postby Linnéa76 » Mon Jun 01, 2009 2:10 pm

Have you tried oatmilk? Or sesame? You can make your own milk from sesame seeds, naturally rich in calcium. But you need a really good mixer so it's a bit of an investment. Almondmilk is also a possibility.
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Postby emm7 » Tue Jun 02, 2009 11:46 am

Milk protein (casein) is not present in soya milk or rice milk.
Neither is milk sugar (lactose).
However milk protein (Casein) IS present in lactofree cows milk but lactose is not.
It sounds like your problem is not with milk protein (Casein) as such but rather with lactose (milk sugar).

Some people are allergic to soya protein.

But I'm very surprised you react to rice milk as this is as un-allergic as you can get.
Do you react to ordinary boiled rice?
All rice milk is, is rice ground up and mixed with water!

NB caffeine (in coffee and tea) can have a strong effect on some people and coffee in particular can play havoc with digestive system.

So if you are getting the problems when putting soya milk or rice milk in caffeinated drinks (ordinary tea and coffee), then maybe try switching to redbush tea with soya milk or rice milk in it, and see what happens.
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Postby abbie » Wed Jun 03, 2009 3:56 pm

wow, this is a complex array of requirements to meet, but i can assure you your dietitian should be able to sort you out just fine with a vegan diet that meets all those: if unsympathetic, find another one. That is pretty important.

So with PCOS you will need to be eating a high protein, low carbohydrate and a low glycemic diet. No soya or rice is fine, just you will need to be more prepared to cook for yourself at home, often from scratch. Many of the processed vegan protein 'replacements' are soya based. Make sure you eat plenty of protein dense foods that where possible are also nutrient dense:

nuts (introduce slowly since you seem to be quite allergy prone), seeds (particularly flax, hemp), wheat-based protein (i.e. seitan/wheat gluten), lentils, beans etc.

The important thing is to ensure a constant blood sugar level that avoids the peaks and troughs of a highly refined sugar diet. Make sure you include a real variety of wholegrains, varying day to day if possible. Pearled barley is particularly good for a cheap, low GI carbohydrate. Oats are particularly excellent, especially since the soluble fibre will help with cardiovascular health. I agree with emm7 that rice milk is usually very un-allergenic: perhaps you have a high sugar variety that is disagreeing with you? Hemp milk is great, but expensive, but there are plenty of others to try: almond milk (there is a type sweetened with agave syrup which is a great low GI refined sugar alternative), quinoa milk (personally don't like but worth a try), oat milk etc.

Vegetables will be resoundingly your lifeline. Variety is key! Green leafy vegetables will give you the best nutritional profile, in general, but also include lots of brightly coloured veggies like peppers, tomatoes, carrots, sweet potatoes and so on. Sweet potatoes and other sweet vegetables are a great way of eating unrefined sugars without feeling like you are missing out too much but, be aware that some can raise your blood sugar more than others quite rapidly and so should be moderated, to some extent. This also goes for fruits like cantaloupe and water melon, along with most dried fruit. Veggies wise, eat cautiously parsnips, plantain, potatoes (except boiled new), swede, turnip and yams. Go easy with corn, pumpkin, squash and sweet potato, though they are not so bad.

Fruits-wise, don't worry too much, but be careful that you don't eat fruit all day long to satisfy the sugar craving. Fruits are high in fructose and sugars that will sometimes rise your insulin levels much like any other refined source. Eat plentifully but with some moderation and stick to fruits like cherries, plums, grapefruits, peaches, apples and pears rather than the very sweet fruits like mango, pineapple, dates and so on. Dried apricots are apparently quite low GI.

That is all a big long winded, but I think I have just over-emphasised what would be resolutely given in a GI-diet table of low and high GI foods. It would then be a case of missing out what you are allergic to, what is meat or dairy based, and then eating the best variety of low GI foods wherever possible, from whatever is left.

Don't feel constrained: seek out your new diet with positivity, as if it were a medicine!

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Postby Pro Radii » Wed Jun 03, 2009 8:27 pm

There's already a lot of great advice here, and I say just go for it (once you get your doctor's go-ahead).

Do you know if your dietician is familiar with vegan diets? Many doctors are misinformed/against veganism and often try and discourage their patients from adhereing to this lifestyle, but there's absolutely no reason it wouldn't be healthy for you (even with your other restrictions).
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Postby xbojanx » Wed Jun 03, 2009 10:31 pm

A lot a great advice so far, I would repeat that finding supportive type of doctor is the key here. So, after initial investment in sorting out your diet (which might seem complicated when you read your post, but doesn't have to be), you will enjoy all the benefits.

Maybe to check other brands of soy milk or rice milk? Some are very sweetened, and with whole palette of sugars, from artificial sweeteners to plain sugar - not all are "healthy" 8)
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