Oatly milk is NOT vegan

[Koala]

Discovered to my horror a few weeks ago that Oatly products are NOT vegan. They source their vitamin ds from sheeps wool.

The following are NOT suitable for vegans
(H enriched and H chocolate)

I've emailed them to complain and get confirmation about this.

[Hiking Fox]

Good work. Please let us know what response you get.

If you don't get a response, let us know so we can HASSLE!

[fredrikw]

Yeah, no products containing D3 is vegan, D2 is a vegan d-vitamine.

The search function here on VF is always useful
http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10741

[Koala]

This is the resposne I got:

Two of our products (H enriched and H chocolate) contain Vitamin D3 that is extracted from sheep’s wool fat. We are using vitamin D3 because it has much better bio availability in our body which has been shown in clinical studies.We are looking at alternatives for this substance that Oatly in the future can claim that the all the products are 100% vegan.

[Lindis]

Yeah, no products containing D3 is vegan

When I read things like that, I cant help of wonder; are we really ment to be vegans if our bodies cant be satisfied with all vitamins from a vegan diet?????

[emm7]

well your body can make vitamin D from sunlight, so food isn't the only way to get vitamin D.

as for whether our bodies were "meant" to be vegan, "meant" implies an intended purpose, which in turn implies an entity that intends.

So who exactly intended for our bodies to run on x y or z?
Where are all these "shoulds" coming from?

I think you can only talk about an Intended Purpose for our bodies in that way if you're a theist? and most probably a traditional one at that?

I'm agnostic so I don't know whether our bodies were "meant" to do anything at all. Perhaps our bodies just do what they do.

[Speciell]

Yeah, no products containing D3 is vegan

When I read things like that, I cant help of wonder; are we really ment to be vegans if our bodies cant be satisfied with all vitamins from a vegan diet?????

What do you mean by ment to be? Are our bodies ment to live in apartments, drive cars, fly aeroplanes, use computers, handle credit cards?

I'm not sure if anyone has answered the question about what we are 'ment' to be with anykind of credibility. You know. Some people still thinks that women are ment to please men - and gets upset when they don't. The world has changed and ment to be or not - this is what we have.

Oh and also - a omni diet does not always provide all vitamins that is needed: D-vitamin being one of them, B12 another.

[Speciell]

Damn you write and think fast emm!

[fredrikw]

Yeah, no products containing D3 is vegan

When I read things like that, I cant help of wonder; are we really ment to be vegans if our bodies cant be satisfied with all vitamins from a vegan diet?????

This is a strange thing to say... You might as well question whether we really should live here in Sweden, because as I assume you know tons of products has vitamin D added to them because of our short days during the winter.

Also, why would a non-vegan additive be proof that a vegan diet isn't sufficient? D3 from wool fat isn't a natural part of anything other than wool fat, and not even the most hard vore omni eats that

Finally, the natural and 'what we are meant to be' argument has so many flaws I'm a bit surprised seeing you use it, emm7 and Speciell covered a couple of good points about it.

[Ava Odoéména]

The claim that vitamin D2 (vegan) is INFERIOR to vitamin D3 (derived from butchers wool) has been refuted:

http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/004897.html

So if you get a busybody who is telling you that scraping the hair grease off rotten sheep and turning that shit into Vitamin D3 is the elite thing to do, please, I beg you, please, get a hold of study linked in the blog entry, print it out, travel to where ever that other person resides, and slap the paper left and right into their face, again again.

Well, no, don't do that, that wouldn't be vegan, but it's allowed to fantasize about it. I do that constantly. Just inform them that the stance that D3 has a better bioavailability is now outdated and has been refuted by one of the most renowned Vitamin D researchers the vacuum of the known universe has materialized.

[Ava Odoéména]

Yeah, no products containing D3 is vegan

When I read things like that, I cant help of wonder; are we really ment to be vegans if our bodies cant be satisfied with all vitamins from a vegan diet?????

Hello Lindis,

I remember when I was just like you, and every nutritional news which seemed unfavorable towards the vegan diet resulted in minor identity crisis.

It's actually a good and healthy response to radically question what you are doing - if you have the right thought model to be able to scratch out the truth.

Now one thing is important to remember. As vegans, we are in a hostile environment where our sheer existence causes people to have moral stress. This stress they project unto us, seeking ways to make vegans look bad. So your first job is, when you read something which is seemingly antivegan, to figure out where that info comes from and what the sender intends to achieve with the info.

As mentioned before, the now refuted science that D3 is more powerful than D2 (BTW, food is an irrelevant source of Vitamin D, apart from sundried mushrooms) immediately got huge response internationally and in EU-Europe, Vitamin D2 even got pulled from supplements. Now that it has been rehabilitated it may return again, I hope, we'll see.

It just goes to show that you need to observe these kind of reports with a cool distance, this actually comes naturally once you've culturally established as a vegan.

That you haven't done that, is very evident by your question. The answer to your question BTW, is, that evolutionary, humans are omnivores, so we are are meant to eat any diet within that scheme which supplies us with all the required nutrients. A vegan diet is within the realm of being omnivores. In fact, humans being omnivores is an argument *for* the vegan diet and not against it, because just because we can eat everything doesn't mean we must eat everything. We have the liberty to make conscious choices about which parts of the omnivorous diet supply us with all essential nutrients. The vegan diet can do that, but just like learning Chinese grammar there is some "vegan nutrition grammar" to learn and implement.

The bottom line here is: the vegan diet is in no way inferior and in many ways superior compared with an "all-eating omnivore diet". But you have to know where you source your nutrients, you may source them differently from all-eating-omnivores. Like non-heme iron, having vitamin C as in peppers, parsley or apple juice mineral water mix part of your dish enhances your iron absorption. A spice quantity of Arame algae added to your food will supply it with iodine. A Brazil nut a day will give you plenty of selenium, just as whole wheat grains products will. Vitamin D is generated in your skin from UVB-rays, however sundrying freshly harvested mushrooms will also generate storable Vitamin D for you to consume in winter. All Northern people, vegan or not need way more Vitamin D than originally thought, up to 1000IU per 25lb / 11kg bodyweight. That means a person who weighs 220 lb / 100 kg needs 8800IU of Vitamin D. The RDA currently is 400IU....

Nutritional science is a very young science and findings have a short half-life.

It is your responsibility to learn "vegan nutrition grammar" just like it is for a person to learn Chinese who is planning to live in China. If you learn insufficient Chinese, you'll suffer in China and if you are OK and prepared you'll have a smooth ride.

Same goes in Veganism. YOU need to be able to get a good foundation of "vegan nutrition grammar", once that is done, you'll laugh about some of the news reports. Like the one when they claimed that Tofu makes your brain shrink. It turned out that the problem was aluminum poisoning of the water in which the Tofu was made...

So don't be scared, be informed!

[erske]

The claim that vitamin D2 (vegan) is INFERIOR to vitamin D3 (derived from butchers wool) has been refuted:

Hey! Welcome back! I've missed your long post on B12 hard to find a more well read poster on here!

[Ava Odoéména]

Hey! Welcome back! I've missed your long post on B12 :wink: hard to find a more well read poster on here! :)

Hello again:-) Though remember, I'm never completely back. Thanks for the compliment. Nutritional science is a tornado field of mini-religions. That I'm so focused and informed is the result of nothing but defending myself against the tornados:-) I'm sort of the Xenia of vegan nutrition and vegan ethical orthodoxy without the leather of course. LOL

[RAZ]

Damnit!! This ruined my day.
I live on Oatly H+.
I'd been told that it was the kind from ICA (swedish supermarket) that hand the wool fat D3 but that oatly was vegan.
This is really bad news. I don't want to drink soy, but the other vegan milks are just so damn expensive.
I might have to try and buy in bulk or something.
Next week I'm going to meet one of the founders of Oatly who is still one of the bosses. I'll be sure to question them about why they destroy what would otherwise be a great vegan product with this shit!

[erske]

Damnit!! This ruined my day.
I live on Oatly H+.
I'd been told that it was the kind from ICA (swedish supermarket) that hand the wool fat D3 but that oatly was vegan.
This is really bad news. I don't want to drink soy, but the other vegan milks are just so damn expensive.
I might have to try and buy in bulk or something.
Next week I'm going to meet one of the founders of Oatly who is still one of the bosses. I'll be sure to question them about why they destroy what would otherwise be a great vegan product with this shit!

ICAs solhavre is actually produced by oatly and is basically the same product as H+ if I recall correctly...