want to lose fat fast but ....

[israel]

i want to loose fat fast but......

i dont understand why they say in the velocity diet that you need to train usually and plus do walks -

i understood that HIIT is good for weight lose and cardio isnt - and here they say to do walks which is cardio ????

[aliquis]

This may not be a perfect answer and was sent thru PM as answer on a PM but whatever:

i saked this question in a thread - but i really want to know what you think of it so :

i want to loose fat fast but......

i dont understand why they say in the velocity diet that you need to train usually and plus do walks -

i understood that HIIT is good for weight lose and cardio isnt - and here they say to do walks which is cardio ????

Moving around more won't help much except that it makes you lose more energy, but you could just aswell eat less. So neither is required, but if you do either of them you get health benefits and can eat more and therefor get more nutrition from the food you consume and it gets easier to eat more protein and so on.

Regarding HIIT and cardio the conclusion of how much better HIIT is came from some old thing there the HIIT users lost 3 times more weight and had also trained 3 times shorter time or something like that so they concluded it was 9 times better. (I don't remember how it was, anyway they multiplied all the differences in a way to make HIIT sound better.)

But I think the difference was small, like 1.5 vs 0.5 kg or something so nothing worth noting anyway and HIIT is much more demanding so I wouldn't do it because I'm lazy

You could look up tabata method to:
http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... ata_method
Which is just HIIT with weights.

Anyway, getting into an energy deficiency is the most important, no matter what if you eat less, walk more, do HIIT, play badminton, clean the apartment, whatever

[israel]

so i can asume that i should loose kg in a week and if i loose less then im not doing something right ????

i think i saw somewhere that its kg in a day period so 2 kgs a week ?

[ninearms]

You will not be able to do HIIT on the V Diet.

The walks are not to burn fat. They're to stop you feeling like total shit.

[aliquis]

2 kg in a week is way too fast, unless you are very overweight.

[xzebrasx]

On the V Diet you still need to lift weights to prevent muscle loss. And muscle loss isn't good not just because you look worse with less muscle, but also because it slows down your metabolic rate (which is good neither for fat loss, nor for health).

Walks are, as ninearms explained, primarily to make you feel less shit, but they also burn fat, so it's a plus.

Have you firmly decided to try the V Diet?

[ninearms]

If you are I give it 3 days before you do a Buzz.

[aliquis]

Living burns fat (more so on energy deficiency), walks raise energy expenditure.

[puppydog]

You will not be able to do HIIT on the V Diet.

why?

[ninearms]

Because you won't have enough energy. It's basically low carb protein shakes 6 times a day for 4 weeks, with one proper meal a week.

[israel]

for metabulisem aspect :


they say it smaller meals and spred them every 2 hours

so is every hour better then every 2 hours ????

its just latley i ate like a pig - a full cake before bed and 2 avocados a day and more ...... every day .........

but im really mentally strong WHEN I WANT TO - hey im vegan that takes mental strength more then just cuting on food

im sure i wont do a buzz { }

but the question is if in the long term it be worth it - cause if i loss muscles then in the long term im going to gain fat

[The Duke]

If you are I give it 3 days before you do a Buzz.

I lasted 8 days.

felt shit. Got depressed. no energy.

lost 8 kilos. three weeks later gained 8 kilos. net result? 0.

forget it.

[andrew85]

I have a lot of experience with losing weight myself. My heaviest weight was over 280lbs 4 years ago when i was 19, and my lowest was 185lbs which was this past summer. I gained weight back but i'm currently in the process of losing it again, and I've lost 16 lbs in 2 weeks and i'm down to 196lbs. I lose weight faster when i first start my diet and exercise plan, probably because i'm losing retained water from eating too much sodium.

What works for me is eating about 1600-1800 kcal/day. spread between 5 meals. my meals are 2.5-4.0 hours apart. and i balance carbs/protein/fat 50/30/20 respectively. I also make sure to keep my sodium levels below 2400 mg.

This diet gives me lots of energy to workout, and I lose fat really fast. I do about 5 hours of weight training a week, and i run about 30 miles a week. I also cross-train on my rest days from running, usually on the rowing machine or exercise bike. Once i get down to my goal weight i'll increase my calorie intake to more of a maintenance level. But with this diet and exercise regiment, i average 20 lbs/month, and i actually build muscle (slowly, but at least i don't lose it). This weight loss is dependent on the fact that i stick to the diet and exercise 100%.

This calorie intake is specific to my weight and body type. If you weigh significantly less than me, you may want to eat even less calories, but i wouldn't go below 1400 because your getting close to starvation levels at that point. It may sound a little tough to follow all the guidelines, what I do is come up with a meal plan that meets these requirements, and then eat pretty much the exact same thing everyday. I'm too lazy and i don't have the time to constantly balance my nutrition, so it's easier that way. also nutridiary.com is a good website for monitoring your nutrition and exercise. Hope this helps.

[aliquis]

for metabulisem aspect :


they say it smaller meals and spred them every 2 hours

so is every hour better then every 2 hours ????

No, it doesn't matter, you can find people suggesting intermitting fasting with just one or two big meals around training to.

its just latley i ate like a pig - a full cake before bed and 2 avocados a day and more ...... every day .........

but im really mentally strong WHEN I WANT TO - hey im vegan that takes mental strength more then just cuting on food

Unless you're unhealthy fat I would suggest you relax somewhat and let it take more time since that will be beneficial for the end result. But the more load you carry the faster you can go down.

but the question is if in the long term it be worth it - cause if i loss muscles then in the long term im going to gain fat

When you start to eat again it will be easier to get the muscles back (and the fat to..)

Muscles don't use that many kilocalories per day from not doing anything, so don't worry to much. Even if you lose say 5 kg muscle it would be like cutting of 1 or maybe 2 dl of juice or something such. Your organs basal energy requirements and you moving around your body is what use the big amounts of energy.

[aliquis]

I have a lot of experience with losing weight myself. My heaviest weight was over 280lbs 4 years ago when i was 19, and my lowest was 185lbs which was this past summer. I gained weight back but i'm currently in the process of losing it again, and I've lost 16 lbs in 2 weeks and i'm down to 196lbs. I lose weight faster when i first start my diet and exercise plan, probably because i'm losing retained water from eating too much sodium.

Each gram of stored carbohydrates in your muscles and liver will hold around 3 grams of water. So if you are full of food you carry more things in your stomach and intestines I guess and finally you have lots of muscle glycogen holding water as you say. When you eat less you will obviously not hold that much carbohydrates as they get used as fuel and therefor won't hold as much water and you will get lighter, even though all of it wasn't fat.
Same reason for why you will probably gain weight quite fast when you start eating again.

What works for me is eating about 1600-1800 kcal/day. spread between 5 meals. my meals are 2.5-4.0 hours apart. and i balance carbs/protein/fat 50/30/20 respectively. I also make sure to keep my sodium levels below 2400 mg.

Or shorter:
Eat 1700 kcal per day and of which 120 gram is protein. I doubt the rest matters.

This diet gives me lots of energy to workout, and I lose fat really fast. I do about 5 hours of weight training a week, and i run about 30 miles a week. I also cross-train on my rest days from running, usually on the rowing machine or exercise bike. Once i get down to my goal weight i'll increase my calorie intake to more of a maintenance level. But with this diet and exercise regiment, i average 20 lbs/month, and i actually build muscle (slowly, but at least i don't lose it). This weight loss is dependent on the fact that i stick to the diet and exercise 100%.

It's not just that you see the muscles you have better?

This calorie intake is specific to my weight and body type. If you weigh significantly less than me, you may want to eat even less calories, but i wouldn't go below 1400 because your getting close to starvation levels at that point. It may sound a little tough to follow all the guidelines, what I do is come up with a meal plan that meets these requirements, and then eat pretty much the exact same thing everyday. I'm too lazy and i don't have the time to constantly balance my nutrition, so it's easier that way. also nutridiary.com is a good website for monitoring your nutrition and exercise. Hope this helps.

I'd say 1600 is too low to, he don't have to lose 20 lbs / month ..


Sorry if I sound rude, I'm not trying to say "you are wrong", just simplify things so he don't focus on the wrong things.