Gelert wrote:Edison Carasio wrote:If anyone is willing to, I will. I am a believer in training the closest to real situations as safely as you can.
But this would imply that you would still need minor training on escapes.
In self defense, martial arts training can some times be of little use because you will become conditioned to a specific pattern of attack, and untrained assailants will not respond the same way. They will use methods deemed incorrect under your stand up fighting. Bruce Lee even said that untrained attackers can be unpredictable and difficult to respond to even for trained martial artists.
1. Absolutely. I'm glad to see that. I appreciate in these litigious times that it is difficult achieve though
2. Exactly. Minor training on escapes. Rather than the main focus. That can be covered in a few sessions max, and then applied subsequently. I'm glad that we seem to be arriving at a consensus that extensive ground skills have as much place in contacts with multiples or generally in the real world as legs on a snake.
3. Bruce said... Yeah, it's one of Murphy's laws of Combat, and a central tenet of what wise ones from Sun Tzu to Mao have had to say about fighting.
You make the good point that the people one has to defend oneself against in the real world are unlikely to be marital artists. On the other hand, as we all know, they are likely to be intoxicated with drugs and/or alcohol, mentally unstable, too high on adrenaline, anger, fear or lust. And not wearing a gi, either, unless you gatecrashed a fancy dress party. That both complicates and simplifies matters.
All this talk of hurting people made me look up the local MA classes. Interestingly, the local muay thai class has a compulsory run at the start. It's not just for the fitness, now is it?
I would like to state that I for one was never questioning the legitmacy of EXTENSIVE BJJ skills in self defense. That is akin to suicide. But I would also say that a karate-ka or gung fu fighter is also at as much a disadvantage as the Jiu Jitsu expert in a self defense situation. Many arts rely on movements from opponents that do not happen naturally, and only occur with in the art. In term of self defense, I would say "self defense" is an art in and of itself. But then one who is good at defending themselves would be weak in a sport enviroment, where the wrestler, jiu jitsu, or judo (to a lesser extent) fighter will be able to apply his skills without fear of outside intereference. That same can go for striker of course. On the ground they do not have to fear groin or eye destruction. They can work on defending strikes and submission attempts instead of guarding those AND foul tactics.