Mouth Ulcers...

[Daddy Fungus]

ok so theyre not as big a deal as the other injuries out there. but i noticed that since i went vegan (bout half a year ago) im getting loads of mouth ulcers, really big nasty ones. coincidence? any idea on treatments other than bonjela? i really hate that ad of theirs

[buzz]

I think they're generally an indication of low immune system, although I this could be an 'old wives tale,' and it's better to treat the cause imo.
I got lots when I went vegan too, but pretty much never get them anymore. Could be that you're lacking in something. What is your general diet like?

[Daddy Fungus]

uhh...not fantastic really. im still working on eating better. im also almost constantly broke which doesnt help. im gonna start using some echinacea to see if that might help boost my immune system somewhat

[Tarz]

I get a lot more too as well - especially on my tongue. Mine coincide with not enough sleep and when I'm run down, but I've also wondered if my diet may be partly responsible.

[ultraflora]

I've read about lysine-ariginine (amino acid) ratios in food and that when a diet is imbalanced in the direction of arginine (lots of argninine, low lysine) the virus that causes SOME mouth sores (type of herpes simplex) has an advantage. Perhaps your diet since going vegan has tended in the direction of more arginine, less lysine.

I've tried eating foods with a high lysine/arginine ratio and avoiding foods really high in arginine when I have mouth sores, and it seems to make them go away more quickly. It's worth a try!
There is some info at:
http://www.healthywaymagazine.com/issue ... erpes.html
or google "lysine arginine ratio chart" and a lot of results come up.

The other thing I notice is that I'm much more likely to get them if I've been eating a lot of sugar.

[xJimx]

Funnily enough I've had much less trouble with ulcers since I went vegan 9/10 years ago. I used to really suffer with them when I was a kid.

No real tips for treatment however, just grin & bear it I'm afraid.

[chloe]

is this the same thing as 'canker sores', someone had a problem with them a while back and i suggested,..through nothing more than personal experience..- b12 issues? or b vitamin issues, i always found that i craved marmite when i had them, and i havent had a problem since becoming vegan and taking b suppliments. I also dropped all milk eggs butter etc long before i became a 'strict' vegan, and so could well have been lacking these b vitamins but not really thinking about it cos i was 'only' vegetarian.

[nervine]

I had loads of them too when I went vegan. I ate alot of junk ie: fake meats and little veg and fruit. Now I don't eat any fakemeats and sugar anymore and eat all my fruit and veg raw. I haven't had any ever since. It's a good idea to buy a juicer. I drink at least one pint of juice every morning on empty stomach. That way you easily get 6-8 portions of fruit and veg in one glass which really boosts your immune system!

[xrodolfox]

I think that canker sores (mouth ulcers?) are partially genetic. My mom and I get them all the time.

I find that I get many less if I'm not stressed out and sleeping well.

I find that a good night sleep is more important than my diet in dealing with those.

I certainly got more during puberty, and I pretty much have always had a constant ammount, with stress and sleep being the two most important factors. Kinda like zits.

[potty]

Try Neem toothpaste. I had the same problem and rang a company about it, they promised pain gone in couple of mins and the ulcers would disappear within 36 hrs plus £20 if I get another one. Suggest if you go to same company try the trial pack as this contains a full tube of toothpaste which is normally £2-50 and the trial pack only costs £1-50 and if you are not happy you get your money back. The company is Neem Genie.
IT WORKS.
They have a section on the menu headed treatments which gives clinical trial results from all over the world.

Potty

[RAgrrrl]

I think they're generally an indication of low immune system, although I this could be an 'old wives tale,' and it's better to treat the cause imo.

Not necessarily an old wives' tale. When I had them bad, my rheumatologist explained that they were another symptom of my rheumatoid arthritis, which is an auto-immune disorder. An auto-immune disorder isn't exactly the same thing as low immune system, but this seems to indicate they could be linked.

[soniczip]

i usually get them when i bite myself while eating i ease the pain by drinking camomile and resting the camomile bag onto the ulcer itself for a few minutes then i mouthwash more often.

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[Ava Odoéména]

If you feel they came with the vegan diet, they may be linked to a reaction to citric acid if you have increased fruit consumption that are high in citric acid. Try milder fruits like bananas and grapes for example.

A B12 deficiency is unlikely unless you've been vegetarian long before you went vegan, since it takes between 1-30 years for clinical B12 deficiency symptoms to appear in B12-less vegan diets. Do in any case always follow the standard B12 integration, 2000µg (2 Nuggets, e. g. from Solgar) once a week, irregardless of ulcers.

Improving you diet does not have to be expensive if you "cook from scratch" a good whole wheat bread with a lentil spread and a kale/carrot salad on the side is already a highly nutritious dish. Get a pressure cooker for quick legumes-based dishes. Soak overnight.

Drop your current toothpaste and brush your teeth with some salt only.

Drink only nonprocessed drinks like water, water/juice mixes, coffee, tea.

Make sure you get enough sleep, improve your efficiency of your day to day organization to carve out more time for sleeping. Deal with stress levels aggressively. Don't "swallow" conflicts, do things that brake your routine, or do the same things slightly differently, have sex/masturbate if that is legal where you live. Don't let depression rule, remember that even if this world totally goes to shits, existence is still magical, unique and mysterious and how wonderful it is that YOU exist.

Wooohooo!