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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Alistar » Sun Jul 01, 2012 4:28 am

Good luck in the race which starts in a few hrs! :)

Ha! treadmills a bit harsh isn't it? If I run for 3minutes I can hardly walk for a week! :( Good to hear you didn't do yourself some permanent damage :P
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:19 pm

Thanks Al, but luck is no good to me - I tend to 'undo' any luck with my piss poor planning!

Sun 1/7
La Pyreneenne (one day I will learn where to put the accents on that...)
185km 4000km (total 200km after ride back to start)

Arrived the afternoon before, camped near the start. Had made a strange (in retrospect) decision to sleep in a bivi bag. Not sure of the rationale. Campsite full of Spanish cyclists with their 40 grand VW californias, pointing and laughing at the guy sleeping on the floor. Woken up at 5am by a thunderstorm, and spent the next hour of torrential rain trying to talk myself out of packing up and going home. Crawled out of bed into a puddle.

Cut it too fine, arrived at the start without gloves and empty bidons. It was cold and wet, I was wearing everything I'd brought - a SS jersey, arm warmers and a gilet. Reports of 0º and snow on the Tourmalet. Fuuuuuck....

So off we go behind the director's car, a very small field compared to previous years (forecast had been bad all week), I get up to the front in order to minimise losses when I (hopefully) pull over for water. After 20km of climbing the Gavernie valley in heavy rain, the road hits Luz St Saveur and the start of the Tourmalet proper. At Bareges I spot a fountain and fill a bidon. Can't drink it, it's warm (or are my hands cold) and tastes of sewage. The climb enters the high pasture and I can see the front group, and a following one, a couple of hairpins up. I won't see them again all day.

The Tourmalet goes well, I can't feel my fingers but noone passes me, and I get a PB of 1h24. Finally get water at the top, and off we go down the amazing descent through La Mongie. On a good day, this is wide open, 95kmh, best bit of the route. It's not a good day. My hands are useless blocks, I have to stop to change to the big ring. I've got one eye on the 50m of visibilty through the fog and sleet, and one on my fingers to make sure they're actually on the brakes. I've never been so cold, I'm shaking so hard the bike is going all over the road. Riders abandoning all the way, I see one guy riding back up to the col, he's in tears. Into La Mongie, there are a load of bikes outside a ski lodge. Riders huddled in the doorway. Looks cosy, I'll join them. The guy in the lodge is annoyed at the mess we're making of his carpet, but goes off to bring coffee. One guy is on the phone to get a taxi.
I decide to get back on the bike before the coffee comes and makes the decision for me. I feel like Andy Hampsten descending the Gavia with his frozen hair. In reality, if the idea of splitting a minibus back to the start had arisen, I'm not sure what I would have done. I averaged 25kmh on the descent, maybe the slowest time in history! Game plan for the race changes, with all that time lost, there are no groups, I'm no longer going for a good placing, just to finish. That feels pretty good, no pressure. Finishing the descent, you arrive in Ste Marie de Campan and the course splits. We (4 valleys) turn right, to do two more cat 1 climbs. The 2 valleys, which starts an hour later, will turn left and continue straight to the final climb. I notice a lot of people have turned left...

It's warmer in the valley, and not raining so hard. I actually enjoy climbing the Aspin, which destroyed me last year, and get up in 43m (55 in 2011) without pushing, enjoying the amazing views, wild flowers and dodging the cows. It's a lonely climb, but at the water stop on the top there are a few people milling around trying to summon up the 'ganas' to descend into the cold. 3 of us hit it together, it's cold but dry lines are appearing and the lower altitude means I'm not shaking all over the road. We're trying to hang onto a kid whose colour coordination deserves special mention. Lime green frame, blue seat mast. Red spokes. FLouro green bar tape, red hoods. White leg warmers, three jerseys in different colours. NOTHING matched, yet looked brilliant! He's young, but daft as a brush, and tows us to the foot of the Hourquette d'Ancizan, we hit the climb and he blows up. The other lad is from Granada (ie more used to suffering in heat rather than cold) and we ride fairly easy, chatting. He didn't bring gloves either, I'm trying to make light of the situation but he hasn't seen the funny side so far :wink:
Still erring on the side of caution, I hold 160bpm which means dropping my new mate. I meant to warn him about the nasty double summit, but turn round and he's gone. There are about 60km of downhill/flat/rolling roads after the summit, I wonder if it's worth waiting for him as there is absolutely noone in sight ahead. I get to the top in 51m, about 6m down on last year, and enjoy the flat out descent through the high meadows.
It's slightly downhill all the way to the foot of the climb to Neuilh. This climb can be tough, as you overlook it in the profile, surrounded by giants. It's still 6km at 4%, and you grumble all the way up as this section WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FLAT!!!! It's raining again, I go over the top and am now passing stragglers with red dorsals from the 2 valleys race. It's another 20km to the final climb, the summit finish of Hautacam and by the time I get there, I've done 60km solo at a 34kmh average - I'm ruined. It's my first time on Hautacam, I am not prepared for its steepness. 14km, and like all these climbs, has km markers showing remaining kms/metres, and avg gradient for the coming km. Each one is 9, 10, 11%, it doesn't let up. At first, I'm frustrated with myself as my lungs are fine but the legs are shot, trying feebly to keep over 150bpm, but nearing the top my entire body goes into hibernate mode. There are cold, shaking riders, coming down - they're done for the day. I'm trying to convince myself they're mostly 2 valleys riders, but it doesn't look good in terms of final placing.

I finished in 8h15m, an hour and a half after the first rider home (ironically my time from last year would've won it!)

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(5th on Strava Tourmalet leaderboard, or 1st in 35-44 group!!)
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:02 pm

Only managed two photos, nothing on their website yet either.

Looking up the Gave valley from the campsite before the storms came. Pic du Midi and the tourmalet pass are hidden in the clouds. The atmosphere of the Pyrenees gives me the creeps...

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Bed for the night, and...

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... breakfast

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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Mr. Cleetus » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:03 pm

Well done Bob!! Sounds like a faaannnntastic time! :P Great than you stuck it out, you never would have forgiven yourself had you not. Can you feel your hands yet? :) Nothing like a shiver induced speed wobble to make you enjoy an alpine descent!
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Alistar » Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:00 am

Ha! No point bringing a Camper if you can bivy on the cheap! :lol: Sounds like something I'd do...

Saw this bear grylls programme where he was showing the dangers of rain and windchill. He only lasted 58mins before pulling the plug in a pretty bad state. Don't quote me on this, but said something like you lose 25times more heat? when you're wet??
Those descents sound terrible in the cold, 'cause unlike here they're so damn long! At least the temp differential must be pretty big b/t the tops and bottoms going down at least.

I feel like Andy Hampsten descending the Gavia with his frozen hair.


:lol: Well done for finishing as it gets bloody painfull on the hands, and the cold drains the energy. Surviving for over 8hrs is pretty impressive. I know how miserable it is (for half the time anyway).

Fantastic riding getting pbs up the Tourmalet and Aspin though!(drool...) :)
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:09 pm

Still got pins n needles in my fingers! The results are up, something like a 50% rate of DNS/DNFs . I'm 60/618 overall or 20/181 in 30-39. I'm sure the results are all to buggery with people entered in the 4v but only completing the 2v, then not saying anything at the finish :wink: but given the unholy mess that unfolded I'm pretty happy with JUST scraping into the top 20.
Nice shot on the Tourmalet
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Was thinking about what to do differently next season. There are some pretty big local climbs but they're not ideal in preparation for the 20+km HCs.. I know a lot of riders here who train in the Pyrenees a couple of weekends building up to their priority races, it's only a 2.5h drive to Jaca or Pau from here but I've never had a car. Hopefully that'll change soon.
I also need to work on not fading in the last quarter of a 6 or 7 hour event. I think I managed that better this year, I've got a reasonabnle idea of how to train for it physically but a massive proportion of it is mental strength.
I carried about 2kg of excess blubber into the big races too, have to sort that. Annoyingly I was more or less race weight in late spring, but put 2kg on over easter and never managed to drop it. My bike is already 1.5kg heavier than most people's, no need to add to it!

Some recovery runs this week, in brief

Mon 2/7
Oiartzun, 1hr/25km

Tues 3/7
Azpeitia Errezil Hernani
105km 3h40

Avg'd 33kmh over the first hour but legs did not want to climb. Had a VERY lucky escape at the Pyreneenne - climbing Errezil today the rear tyre blew out. Turns out the tube was trapped under the tyre bead. I'd fitted new tubes and tyres on Saturday night, if I'd have punctured in the cold with frozen fingers I might still be up there trying to fix it now!
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Alistar » Thu Jul 05, 2012 12:55 pm

Nice work on the top 20!

Feel sorry for the guys in short sleeves going up the ominous looking Tourmalet! Hope for them there were some old guys at the top handing out newspapers :wink:

Yeah, good idea to familiarise yourself with the climbs you'll encounter on race day so your body knows what its in for.
Got this cool book out of the library with all the climbs ever used in the tdf. Giving gradients, distances and tips for each one. Anyway sounds a real art to climbing those HC climbs in terms of pacing etc. One day I'll get over to a country that actually has HC climbs so I can try it out for myself.

Would be very hard to be able to do a big race like the ones you do and not fade. Think you'd have to do everything right. Perfect pace, right hydration, and amount of food eaten at the right time. But like you say keeping focus would be very hard over 7or 8hrs. When the body and brain start running low on glycogen it'd be even harder I imagine. I'd be toast at around 4hrs.

Ha! Yeah always have to watch that last minute tyre change, Guaranteed to stuff it up ! Lucky yours lasted a few days...and you were going uphill :)
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Alistar » Wed Jul 11, 2012 10:08 am

How you going Bob? You recovered yet from the race?
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Sat Jul 14, 2012 12:24 pm

I think I've over-recovered :) Just come back from a week in the UK where I did my usual thing of eating and drinking another 2kg... the temptation of easily available vegan junk food is just too much for me!
Though I did get a ride in this time, borrowed my dad's new bike (Fuji Gran Fondo, think it was my first time on a carbon bike!) and went out with an old mate in the Cumbrian drizzle. Very nice, too. Didn't have a CC so no idea of the mileage etc.

Hoping to get a bit more training in before the Indurain (21st) but there won't be time to do much, so we'll see how that goes. I haven't actually ridden in anger since La Pyreneenne 2 weeks ago, so it's just a case of going to enjoy it, it's long at 180km but not a massive amount of climbing.
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Alistar » Tue Jul 17, 2012 5:45 am

Ha! Thought you must have pulled the pin on your cycle career after some Pyrenean madness. Oh well, at least you'll have some reserves to draw on in your next race. :P :D
Speaking of the Pyrenees. How does stage 16 compare to the ride you did in terms of similiarity? I remember yours had the Aspin and Tourmalet...

Yeah Fuji make some good bikes. Feels a bit weird riding on plastic for the 1st time though eh! Good on your Dad for buying a new bike so you've got something nice to ride on when you go back home. Has your Dad always ridden or did you convert him? Bonus if its the right size.
Hope the shit Summer weather clears for the Olympics tho!
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:38 pm

The old man's always had bikes, he stopped riding for a while but then I left my old Colnago in his care and he started up again! Currently owns a couple of fixed wheels to, he's riding nearly every day or so he says. Not bad for 68!

My Pyreneenne adventure covered the Tourmalet and Aspin in the same direction as the tour will, but used a couple of different cols. Last year it was almost identical. Interesting to see how different the times are gonna be!


TUES 17/7
Meagas-Aizarna-Errezil
105km 1500m @ slooow
First proper ride for two weeks. Went very badly, it was too hot and I think I've got some kinda lurgi as HR was up at 170 when it shouldve been 20 lower. Last couple of hours were pure survival. Bit worried about Saturday on that performance, might do a short evening ride tomorrow when it's cooler.
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:51 pm

oops that last post got stuck in the pipe!

Stage looked horrific, weather similar to last year's Pyreneenne, with 30º+ on the climbs. Cavendish admitted later to puking all over himself, with DZ doing the same on the team bus. Evans having stomach probs too. Always nice to see them earning their money!

Weds 18/7
Aia loop, Igeldo x2
2h07, 55km
Went out late to get the cooler weather, a bruma (sea fog) blew in taking the heat of the day away. Still not feeling right, did a shorter route with three 350m climbs and looking at the HR data and the avgs seem to be a bit high on the climbs. Unfortunately I don't often take a HRM on this route, so I'm comparing to off-season numbers (November).
Still, did the first couple fairly well, and faded on the last. About 7m behind my route PB (some of that time lost while getting a bottle of pop from a vending machine which then exploded all over me when I opened it!)
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:39 pm

Thu 19/9
Leitza loop
100km 3h25

Seems like the HR funny business is back to more or less normal. Avg for ride was 143, though times everywhere were down at somewhere between peak and off season. Felt a touch better anyway, if slow.

I think I'm going to pass on La Indurain (again!) as I'm not really in shape to make anything of it, so it'd just be a case of doing it for fun - not a bad plan but I'm flat broke too so will save the entry & petrol €€€ for something the week after.
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby Alistar » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:17 am

At least your HR has started coming back down to normal. Sure mine has got heaps higher in the last 2 years? But then I did used to be more particular about keeping in range even when totally unfit.

Good idea flagging the Indurain if you're not really going to get much out of it except a hole in your wallet. Can always just do your own fun ride on the day instead. :)
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Re: the cruffatin liveth

Postby bob_summers » Wed Jul 25, 2012 4:29 pm

Just been doing some MTB for fun the last week or so. Well, mostly fun, and also to get reacquainted with it as I was hoping to do a couple rounds of the MTB Marathon series in the autumn.

22/7
Aritxulegi Lesaka Biandiz etc
85km 2300m 5h30
Big ride although a lot of it was riding to and from the trails on the road.

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view from the top while I cooled my poor feet down

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and warded off the bonk with Cumbria's finest

24/7
Jaizkibel & Ulia
60km 1700m 4h45
Harder today, not so much on-road and over 30º which killed me for the second big climb. But amazing views along the coast (no pics, was too broken to stop for photos!)

25/7
Ordiziako Klasika
100km 1100m 3h30
Back on the road bike to go and watch the Klasika. It's 165km, made up of 5 laps which pass over Larraitz with the final two laps passing over Altzo as well. A hard race in this heat, some early attacks but always brought back, peloton was together on the penultimate lap then a move including local lad Gorka Izagirre (Euskaltel) went clear on the final descent and he won the sprint by a tyre. Third win for him in his home race, previous winners include Olano, Lefevre, Vandenbrouke, Valverde... and was won 4 times by Neil Stephens, oddly. Though I think he lived/trained here, and ISTR reading that he's still here coaching young Aussies.

I got a brace of Strava KOMs on the two 3º climbs, having never climbed them from that side before. Not sure if any of today's exploits will be uploaded, if so my KOMs will be very short lived indeed!

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Winning move on final descent, 5km out. Izagirre in orange, Amador (Movistar) came in 4º.

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Wider shot showing Txindoki (1300m), a remarkably triangular mountain, looks kinda like how a kid would draw a mountain! Shrouded in Basque myth and legend, one being that the Goddess Mari lives in a cave there, and if you are lost on the mountain you should call her name 5 times (I think). Not sure what happens if you do though :|

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Not quite the TdF podium! 2º & 3º (Chavez & Rubiano) both Colombianos. There were also 2 Russian teams, and one from South Africa (all but two of whom failed to make the time cut, or abandoned)
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