how i can eat up to 70 bananas in a day?

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Postby Alistar » Wed May 06, 2009 12:23 pm

I've only stumbled on all this stuff in the last week but have found Ha's videos( the 2 I've seen) really inspiring...
I'm your typical cooked-food treat-eating Vegan. I'm a cyclist who probably does half of what Ha does training for a race(10hrs a week) and I weigh 72kgs usually, but am 69kg race weight and eat like a horse!

Remember a big Cyclist is considered around 80kgs for a typical Omni and he may be over 185cm! Even Lance Armstrong at 74kgs is considered quite a big cyclist. 68kgs is pretty average for a Tour de France rider with the climbers often being under 60kgs!

As for B12 you get it from the dirt/soil and all the bacteria that lives in it, and you need bugger-all(hardly any). Thats why sheep and cows are never B12 deficient (they ingest lots of topsoil with their grass and bacteria in their gut do the rest) except in places where there is a soil cobalt defiency like this one area in NZ. (They stagger around, and fall over and die without cobalt added to the soil). No cobalt, no B12.

B12 as I understand it is basically exactly the same molecule as Haemaglobin, and chlorophyll. Different in that B12 has a cobalt in the centre of it, Haem an iron, and chlorophyl a magnesium.

I remember reading about this Vegan India sect that was fine in their own country but when some moved to England quite a few unexpectedly developed B12 anaemia due to there not being a speck of dirt or soil anywhere, or on the chemical fruit and Vege bought at the local supermarket...Quite typical of sterile living conditions in Western societies.

So back in the day you may have had a few parasites in your guts but living/eating in, on and around soil at least no B12 deficiency! :)
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Postby JP » Wed May 06, 2009 12:34 pm

Alistar, be careful about dishing out advice about very important health matters if you are not absolutely certain yourself. The claims you made have been debunked in several articles and studies, and ha himself admits having a severely low indicators of b12 which were broadcasted on national TV in australia, but he doesnt care and it is his body to do whatever he chooses of course.

But essentially what you just said is very dangerous and irresponsible if it is not countered.

Ha splits opinions - he is one of the members we get most complaints about, and for some reason seems to inspire people as well - i guess thats what controversial people always do.

But we have had to take a harder line against his habit of spamming several threads about the 811 diet, some gurus book and fruitarianism in topics which dont have anything to with it, so the mods do delete many of his posts unfortunately. Its a pain, but our numerous pleas to him to stop have fallen to deaf ears, and we wouldnt like to ban him either because i bet he is a good guy, just a little bit over excited about his own religious truth :D
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Postby ha » Wed May 06, 2009 12:51 pm

last night in adelaide south australia,i gave a talk to an audience of around 50 folks. i grabbed the mic and shocked em silly. they loved it! claps and laughter all round as i told em stories of guzzling 70 bananas in a day and riding my bike till my bum bled!

and on the b12 note, my b12 serum levels are officially in the 'normal' range for australian rda levels. i didnt supplement, didnt take superfoods etc. i just cut out the oil, salt, garlic, chili, vinegar, cacaco etc so my intestinal health is optimum and things acutally work better.

end of the day, crew gotta get educated and take responsibility for our own actions.

check out my nutrition info for yesterdays nosh intake..done on cronometer.
Today's Consumption:
Bananas, raw 20 large (8" to 8-7/8" long) 2420.8
Papayas, raw 700 g 273.0
Oranges, raw, Florida 6 fruit (2-5/8" dia) 389.2
Mangos, raw 150 g 97.5
Lettuce, romaine, raw 2 head 212.8
Dates, medjool 100 g 277.0
Spinach, raw 136 g 31.3
Strawberries, raw 4 extra large (1-5/8" dia) 34.6

===========================================
Nutrition Summary for May 4, 2009
Report generated by CRON-o-Meter v0.9.5
===========================================

General (93%)
===========================================
Energy | 3866.1 kcal 148%
Protein | 63.4 g 98%
Carbs | 974.4 g 178%
Fiber | 146.5 g 586%
Fat | 16.9 g 58%
Water | 4947.5 g 183%

Vitamins (83%)
===========================================
Vitamin A |134613.7 IU 5770%
Folate | 2982.3 オg 746%
B1 (Thiamine) | 3.0 mg 277%
B2 (Riboflavin) | 3.8 mg 347%
B3 (Niacin) | 31.6 mg 226%
B5 (Pantothenic Acid)| 15.8 mg 315%
B6 (Pyridoxine) | 12.2 mg 941%
B12 (Cyanocobalamin) | 0.0 オg 0%
Vitamin C | 1493.7 mg 1992%
Vitamin D | 0.0 IU 0%
Vitamin E | 15.7 mg 105%
Vitamin K | 1983.2 オg 2204%

Minerals (90%)
===========================================
Calcium | 1331.9 mg 133%
Copper | 3.9 mg 436%
Iron | 26.3 mg 146%
Magnesium | 1253.3 mg 392%
Manganese | 11.5 mg 641%
Phosphorus | 1281.6 mg 183%
Potassium | 17912.9 mg 381%
Selenium | 43.3 オg 79%
Sodium | 260.9 mg 17%
Zinc | 9.5 mg 119%

Lipids (35%)
===========================================
Saturated | 4.2 g 21%
Omega-3 | 2.7 g 248%
Omega-6 | 2.3 g 19%
Cholesterol | 0.0 mg 0%
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Postby erske » Wed May 06, 2009 6:59 pm

[quote="ha"]last night in adelaide south australia,i gave a talk to an audience of around 50 folks. i grabbed the mic and shocked em silly. they loved it! claps and laughter all round as i told em stories of guzzling 70 bananas in a day and riding my bike till my bum bled!

and on the b12 note, my b12 serum levels are officially in the 'normal' range for australian rda levels. i didnt supplement, didnt take superfoods etc. i just cut out the oil, salt, garlic, chili, vinegar, cacaco etc so my intestinal health is optimum and things acutally work better.

end of the day, crew gotta get educated and take responsibility for our own actions.

check out my nutrition info for yesterdays nosh intake..done on cronometer.
Today's Consumption:
Bananas, raw 20 large (8" to 8-7/8" long) 2420.8
Papayas, raw 700 g 273.0
Oranges, raw, Florida 6 fruit (2-5/8" dia) 389.2
Mangos, raw 150 g 97.5
Lettuce, romaine, raw 2 head 212.8
Dates, medjool 100 g 277.0
Spinach, raw 136 g 31.3
Strawberries, raw 4 extra large (1-5/8" dia) 34.6

===========================================
Nutrition Summary for May 4, 2009
Report generated by CRON-o-Meter v0.9.5
===========================================

General (93%)
===========================================
Energy | 3866.1 kcal 148%
Protein | 63.4 g 98%
Carbs | 974.4 g 178%
Fiber | 146.5 g 586%
Fat | 16.9 g 58%
Water | 4947.5 g 183%

Vitamins (83%)
===========================================
Vitamin A |134613.7 IU 5770%
Folate | 2982.3 オg 746%
B1 (Thiamine) | 3.0 mg 277%
B2 (Riboflavin) | 3.8 mg 347%
B3 (Niacin) | 31.6 mg 226%
B5 (Pantothenic Acid)| 15.8 mg 315%
B6 (Pyridoxine) | 12.2 mg 941%
B12 (Cyanocobalamin) | 0.0 オg 0%
Vitamin C | 1493.7 mg 1992%
Vitamin D | 0.0 IU 0%
Vitamin E | 15.7 mg 105%
Vitamin K | 1983.2 オg 2204%

Minerals (90%)
===========================================
Calcium | 1331.9 mg 133%
Copper | 3.9 mg 436%
Iron | 26.3 mg 146%
Magnesium | 1253.3 mg 392%
Manganese | 11.5 mg 641%
Phosphorus | 1281.6 mg 183%
Potassium | 17912.9 mg 381%
Selenium | 43.3 オg 79%
Sodium | 260.9 mg 17%
Zinc | 9.5 mg 119%

Lipids (35%)
===========================================
Saturated | 4.2 g 21%
Omega-3 | 2.7 g 248%
Omega-6 | 2.3 g 19%
Cholesterol | 0.0 mg 0%


:D I have in moments of boredome calculated the nutritional intake of a couple of "HA days".. And they do look rather good as above (cept for B12 (and D but I recon you hit the sun quite frequently :wink: )) But like you say in one of your videos You have to get the calories in, someone who isn't training as hard as you wouldn't get that good readings..
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Postby Hiking Fox » Wed May 06, 2009 7:29 pm

Here is a challenge for Ha.

Start and maintain a thread in which you do not mention:

* Yourself (in particular how fast, funny, clever and healthy you are)
* Your sexy girlfriend

I don't think it can be done...
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Postby Clem Snide » Wed May 06, 2009 8:33 pm

[quote="Alistar"]
As for B12 you get it from the dirt/soil and all the bacteria that lives in it, and you need bugger-all(hardly any).


The myth that will not die.

An an unrelated topic, I hear that Ha has a really sexy girlfriend.
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Postby baldy » Wed May 06, 2009 9:31 pm

+1 for more threads/pictures/videos about sexy girlfriends and less about bananas.
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Postby ^toby^ » Thu May 07, 2009 11:00 am

How did you increase your b12 in your diet?

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs]A song for ya, ha
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At our Melbourne Vegan Potluck Cult, we had a Rawfood vegan potluck too.

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Postby tal » Thu May 07, 2009 11:23 am

[quote="^toby^"]Mangomagic's Ferrero Rawchers are gold!


As in "Ferrero Rocher"? Explain!
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Postby Alistar » Thu May 07, 2009 1:01 pm

[quote="JP"]Alistar, be careful about dishing out advice about very important health matters if you are not absolutely certain yourself. The claims you made have been debunked in several articles and studies, and ha himself admits having a severely low indicators of b12 which were broadcasted on national TV in australia...

But essentially what you just said is very dangerous and irresponsible if it is not countered.


Yes I probably did come across like I was giving out advice not to worry about B12 supplementation. But that wasn't my intention. So I apologize for that. So am pleased you pulled me up on it :) I'll make more of an effort to put in the disclaimers next time, considering B12 anaemia is a very serious condition.

I was just thinking aloud :oops: that it seems possible to me ( but I could be completely wrong kids!) to get enough B12 if you were a Vegan, and lived in some non Western societies, or perhaps as our ancestors did 1000's of yrs ago when you didn't have water and soap on tap, and ate soil covered produce with soil covered hands...

It is well know that soil contains B12 producing bacteria and B12 - fact! Whether you could be Vegan and survive in the above example and ingest enough of it, is obviously a contentious issue so I won't rock the boat.

Just so you people know, I wash dirt off my hands before eating etc etc and take B12 supplements regularly as I know no plants contain B12, and I'm not going to ingest soil to test out my theory! Hence the parasite reference at the end of my last post.
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Postby kallefs » Thu May 07, 2009 5:49 pm

[quote="^toby^"]
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ITLNzPoEqs]A song for ya, ha
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I thought this was more appropriate
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Postby V VII Hero » Thu May 07, 2009 11:35 pm

speaking of B-12 and soil, I actually do ingest small amounts of soil...
I eat small handful of dandelion leaves/roots/flowers that I pick straight from the lawn. I do not wash off all the dirt from the roots either, I get as much as I can, but there is still definately plenty of soil on it.
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Postby ha » Sun May 24, 2009 12:58 pm

here is a vid of a talk i did start of may..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GrIeMYl_lE
raw vegan banana case that has cycled over 190 000km cycled as a vegan.

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Re: how i can eat up to 70 bananas in a day?

Postby ha » Tue May 04, 2010 7:07 am

Update on my decision to do b12 supps recently.

After riding with Lance Armstrong last year and speaking with various other cycling team doctors and learning that they ALL do b12 injections of a regular basis, I did more homework on my own blood profiles and concluded that doing b12 injections would be a worthwhile experiement. I was resistant for many years cos I thought it was an admission a vegan diet was faulty but since Ive talked with Lance and all the other world class cyclists/coaches/doctors Ive trained/raced/socialized with, b12 injections are standard. Ive read a lot of medical journals online and found endless b12 deficiencies in meat eaters. In Australia we have b12 added to all the cat, dog and fish food that is top shelf. You can get your pets tested for b12 at the local vet.

We live in a sterile society with sterile air, soil, water etc and live in a stressful place and probably dont get enough sleep etc. I see b12 as a worthwhile supp for EVERYONE regardless of diet. Its more of a 'sterile' society thing than a 'vegan' thing.

Now funnily enough my levels are higher than my sedentary omnivore mates but the same as my omnivore mates that do b12 shots too.

Anyone can browse a mainstream bodybuilding forum and see b12 shot techniques etc.

Ive had 12 1000mcg shots since November last year. My blood profiles have changed a lot and Im racing Div 1 on the road bike. Next time I do a tv show, I will look a lot better on paper too!

ts been my homework talking to world class sports doctors and the like, that intramuscular injections just bypass any absorption issues(main cause of b12 issues). Sublingual b12 under the tongue seems to be the next best option but why not just have the best?

I didnt have any symptoms other than numbers in blood work. I won a 24hr race with low serum b12 but my doctor friend said 'Id like to see how you perform with better blood values Harley'..and that just stuck in my head for a long time!

A great book to read on the subject is 'Could it be b12?' It talks in detail and with medical journal citations about the high frequency of b12 issues in todays society regardless of dietary choices.

I put my blood tests up on youtube 'raw vegan blood tests
'.

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Re: how i can eat up to 70 bananas in a day?

Postby ha » Tue May 04, 2010 7:18 am

Here is my better half of the banana box.

raw vegan banana case that has cycled over 190 000km cycled as a vegan.

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