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Questions on grip and BMI

Postby xJimx » Fri Apr 23, 2004 8:52 am

2 completely unrelated questions, but anyway:

1. Where can I get one of these #1 grip trainers that I keep reading about? I'm finding that when I lift heavy weights (especially deadlifts) that my grip is holding me back.

2. How useful is 'body mass index'? After a year or so of losing weight and decreasing BMI, I'm finding that my new weights routine is now causing me to put of weight and hence push my BMI towards 25, which is the threshold for being overweight, even though I'm putting on muscle not flab! I've also increased my cardio in the last month by doing swimming so I'm fitter than ever.
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Postby GenTDuke » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:22 am

1. http://www.ironmind.com/ (KICKASS)

2. No clue, but if you are putting muscle on and the numbers say its bad them BMI is BS.
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Postby JP » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:33 am

also, www.pullumsports.com sells them in UK, but they are pricey.

But the grippers might not be the best solution for your deadlift grip though. Try doing some static holds/rack lockouts. Basically what that means is that you set the pins on the squat rack high enough so that you only need to pull the barbell for a few inches. Then load the bar and try to hold it for the duration of deadlift rep, about 7-10 seconds. When you get it, up the weight. I'd keep your grip strength ahead of your deadlift strength with about 20kg at least.

Other good one would be farmers walks, but not many of us can do them in the commercial gyms we go to. Also, the dumbells run out of weight quite quickly when you progress and the typical 40kg dumbell wont feel like much after a while of training farmers walks.

I agree that BMI is BS - it is my goal to be classified as Obese on BMI, which means i need to bulk up to about 103kg :) I am already severely overweight according to that index...
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Postby prenna » Fri Apr 23, 2004 11:56 am

The BMI is for the most part complete crap. It is only useful when used as a very rough guide for underweight people to get up to a reasonable weight. Even then it's not great.
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Postby xJimx » Fri Apr 23, 2004 12:59 pm

Cheers for the links and the opinions guys.

I've looked on the sites suggested and I'm wondering whether to go for a bog standard grip trainer (100lb) or a No1 gripper (140lb)?
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Postby GenTDuke » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:24 pm

No1 gripper (140lb) definetly, 100 pounds is to easy.
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Postby prenna » Fri Apr 23, 2004 1:45 pm

[quote="xJimx"]I've looked on the sites suggested and I'm wondering whether to go for a bog standard grip trainer (100lb) or a No1 gripper (140lb)?


You might want to have a look at getting an Ivanko hand-gripper. It is adjustable so you can get a good progression from it. I'm not sure where you get them from in the UK, I've borrowed the one I'm using from JP.
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Postby funfetus » Fri Apr 23, 2004 2:56 pm

I read recently that Tom Cruise, Mel Gibson, and Will Smith are all either "overweight" or "obese" according to the BMI scale.

That ought to give you an indication of its usefulness.
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BMI

Postby VeganEssentials » Fri Apr 23, 2004 4:48 pm

According to the BMI, I'm so obese that my health is at risk. Apparently I need to lose at least 60 lbs. to be considered "healthy" by their standards! :D

Anyway, it is a bad system that unfortunately is way overused.

As for grip work, definitely look to what JP said. Crushing grip and the grip used to hold a bar for a period of time are very different and need to be worked in different ways. Static holds (deadlift 1-2" out of a power rack, just enough so you are clear of the pins but close enough to them to not drop the weight with a hard crash) are definitely what improved my grip considerably for deadlifts. That, and heavy deadlift singles with a 5-10 second hold at the top before you set the weight down. Both will do the trick!

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Postby Pete » Fri Apr 23, 2004 9:00 pm

Ditto, to what everyone else said about the BMI, it's no good for anyone who's reasonably muscular. Hell, according to that we're all well over weight & need to slim down to small twigs cause we are all too fat :lol:
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Postby funfetus » Sat Apr 24, 2004 1:00 am

Actually, I'm only on the high-end of normal. I guess I'd better get bulking.
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Postby hannibal » Sat Apr 24, 2004 2:14 am

apparently i'm obese, but at least i'm not morbidly obese.

waist circumference is supposed to be a good indicator of whether or not you're overweight, independent of how much muscle you have (from memory i think about a 36 inch waist is ideal.. anywhere over 40 you're carrying too much chub.. the numbers are slightly lower for women)
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article on BMI and obesity

Postby Malcolms Billy » Sat Apr 24, 2004 6:55 am

Check this link for a (longish) article on the nonsense of BMI and obesity:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story ... 49,00.html
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Postby Pete » Sat Apr 24, 2004 9:16 am

Hannibal said:
[quote]36 inch waist is ideal


Not for me it's not! Most trainees bothered about physique (there goes JP..he's lost interest in the thread already :lol: ). Look at Steve Reeves 28". It the waist to chest ratio that gives the illusion of size. Me, I'm not very big, but I've got a good chest to waist ratio, so a lot of guys think I'm bigger than them, when I'm really not very big at all compared to a lot of people. Size is often judge by internal comparison of different bits of your physique rather than absolute size, hence Bodybuilders diet down & lose size, but look bigger.
If you can get a 30" or less waist you'll look a whole lot bigger than a 34" plus, unless he's much larger.
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sucking it in..

Postby hannibal » Sun Apr 25, 2004 3:17 am

sorry i should have said 36 inches or under.. i'd look like i was wearing a corset though if i had a 28 inch waist :D

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Not for me it's not! Most trainees bothered about physique (there goes JP..he's lost interest in the thread already :lol: ). Look at Steve Reeves 28". It the waist to chest ratio that gives the illusion of size. Me, I'm not very big, but I've got a good chest to waist ratio, so a lot of guys think I'm bigger than them, when I'm really not very big at all compared to a lot of people. Size is often judge by internal comparison of different bits of your physique rather than absolute size, hence Bodybuilders diet down & lose size, but look bigger.
If you can get a 30" or less waist you'll look a whole lot bigger than a 34" plus, unless he's much larger.
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