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Re: too long routine?

Postby Lordmuppet » Fri Jun 08, 2012 2:25 pm

[quote="Talyn"][quote]In fact, for a brief period, the rate of breakdown exceeds the rate of building. The body actually drops into a short-term wasting or catabolic state. However, taking in enough protein during the pre- and post-exercise period can offset catabolism. (Check out the Precision Nutrition guide for more on nutrition timing.)"


Looks like someone attended broscience 101.

Quick, take an expensive pre-peri-post workout supplement or teh evil catabolz will destroy your gains!


With a few exceptions, Precision Nutrition is generally a fairly reliable source not broscience imo. Yes they do push their own products at various points (as does T-nation, elitefts and pretty much everywhere that has products) but they actually don't push anything in this particular article.

Broscience as I think of it involves a non-scientific approach whereas Berandi who runs Precision Nutrition has a solid scientific education and track record of scientific publications.

All that said I shall look elsewhere to see if i can find specific evidence for the short term catabolic state idea. If you are aware of people who say otherwise I'd be interested to read that too :)

edited to add: in any case not a whole lot hangs on this so smeh either way i suppose :)
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Re: too long routine?

Postby tal » Fri Jun 08, 2012 4:37 pm

There is a stigma associated with 'catabolism' that was created by the bodybuilding industry. Chiefly to create fear, or a 'need' of which there is a product that offers a solution.

If you want to get technical, humans are forever in a constant state of either anabolism or catabolism. Of course the scales of each on a short-term basis are so insignificant it just doesn't matter.

Your muscles won't fall off if you don't have a shake 5.17 seconds after your last set.

People just have to nail the basics:
- train hard
- eat the right amount of food for your training
- ignore the minutiae that is not important

Unfortunatley, the points above don't sell products or books. So SNAFU it is.
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Re: too long routine?

Postby Lordmuppet » Fri Jun 08, 2012 5:00 pm

[quote="Talyn"]Your muscles won't fall off if you don't have a shake 5.17 seconds after your last set.


of course. I read them as talking about what was optimal rather than necessary though

Also now i think about it they do push a particular product for this elsewhere ('Surge' I think). That wouldn't really bother me except they make a big deal about how they don't have products that they push ... thing is Berandi owns the other company that makes all their recommended supplements.

So yeah there is a vested interest on this particular issue i suppose. I'll be interested to see what those who don't sell such things say hmmm
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Re: too long routine?

Postby sergio » Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:39 am

[quote="Talyn"]
People just have to nail the basics:
- train hard
- eat the right amount of food for your training
- ignore the minutiae that is not important


Wise words.
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Re: too long routine?

Postby gabrielxxx » Mon Jun 18, 2012 11:32 pm

[quote="Talyn"]
People just have to nail the basics:
- train hard
- eat the right amount of food for your training
- ignore the minutiae that is not important



This and sleep. Sleep like a baby.
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Re: too long routine?

Postby Goob » Wed Jun 20, 2012 11:53 pm

[quote="gabrielxxx"][quote="Talyn"]
People just have to nail the basics:
- train hard
- eat the right amount of food for your training
- ignore the minutiae that is not important



This and sleep. Sleep like a baby.


????up every 2 hours crying for you're mommy???? :? :? :? :?

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Re: too long routine?

Postby DL500 » Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:13 pm

Regaredless of your exercise goals 2 hours is a helluva l-o-n-g time to lift.
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Re: too long routine?

Postby baldy » Mon Jul 02, 2012 2:07 pm

[quote="DL500"]Regaredless of your exercise goals 2 hours is a helluva l-o-n-g time to lift.

Depends how much trash talking you do while you lift.
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