tennis elbow..?

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tennis elbow..?

Postby V VII Hero » Sun Aug 22, 2004 7:55 pm

I didnt know what forum to put this in. but i figured this would be the best one, since I get the feeling when i am bodybuilding.

anytime i am doing upright rows, or working my left bicep...

the inside of my left elbow softly "pops" ...like it feels like the vein or a muscle twitches...it feels really odd....

I paint houses and I paint with my left hand. do I possibly have tenis elbow or grade I tendonitis from the repetetive motion of painting?

how do I heal this? I have been resting it and not working out my arms for a couple weeks, or doing upright rows. but it still persists to occur.

someone please help me.
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Postby sensless » Sun Aug 22, 2004 10:25 pm

If you have tendonitus (tennis elbow) that just plain sucks. I have gotten that before and it took me around 3 months to fully recover. The cause for me was simply due to overtraining, and the cure was taking about one month off from lifting and also wrapping my elbow/forearm anytime I had to do, well, anything for the following two months. I don't know what a doctore will do for you, perhaps others have some better advice but wrapping my forearm/elbow with an ace bandage really made it feel considerably better.

Good luck with the recovery. I'm sure some people know of some vitamins and supplements you can take that will help as well.

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Postby V VII Hero » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:01 am

its on the inside of my elbow. i did some more research and it appears to be "golfers elbow". I dont have pain though or inflammation. it just feels wierd and pops a lot...maybe a tendon is out of place??

i think i need to go get this checked out.
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Postby VeganEssentials » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:22 am

I get something similar - my right shoulder is the better of the two as far as flexibility, but when I used to do dumbbell lateral raises with my arms straight my right shoulder would pop every time I'd lower the weight. No pain, just an odd feel as it would pop, and that was it. Rather than tempt the fates to cause me injury from this, I gave that exercise up in favor of others and have never had a problem since.

When you're doing upright rowing, are your hands close together? That can easily aggravate wrists and elbows, so if you continue to do that exercise I suggest you try moving your hands apart - as a matter of fact, I found that the overall good of upright rows improved greatly for me when I put my hands at the position of close-grip benching around 16-18" apart and the pain in both wrist and elbows was gone immediately (and strength went up quite a bit!) Try that out for a bit and see if it helps - you may have to drop the weight at first because it will take some time to get used to the new positioning, but in all honesty, it is better - unless you're going to be doing a caber toss, you won't likely be having your hands close together as you heave a weight upward. A wider grip will also get you better accustom if you decide to try any olympic-style pulls, so it definitely has more good to it. And, worst case scenario, if you still feel the pop I say give that exercise up for 3 months, take a multi-vitamin daily and possibly some vegan glucosamine or MSM (in case it is a joint issue you're having) and it might just clear up in time. As they say, if it causes you problems, move on to something else - there are more than enough quality shoulder exercises to not have to feel bad if you ditch that one! Same goes for biceps - try hammer curls to put your arm at a different position, or switch to reverse curls - find what stops the popping and go with it while you recover since you can always go back to it later one.

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Postby JP » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:38 am

hero, could you start using your right hand for most of the painting? When i got RSI i started using my left hand (i'm right handed) for most of things like using computer mouse etc. It was funny how quickly one learns the coordination - i think it's great to have the ability to use both of your hands in most tasks.

Secondly, i'd just drop upright rows now - they are not absolutely necessary for two reasons: a. shoulder work can be done in other ways and b. your shoulder developement is so good anyways. You'd lose much more if you would continue doing painful exercises and work and develope a serious tendonitis like sensless has experienced which will stop you lifting for a long time. Rochelle suffers from RSI at the moment and she can't lift at all, no deadlifts, benching, rows or even squatting.
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Postby Heyutang » Mon Aug 23, 2004 9:35 am

Hero,

could you be a bit more specific with your location of the popping feeling? Golfer's elbow means the medial elbow side is inflammated. It is caused by an overexertion of the wrist flexors. Mainly gardeners, rowers and other sporters, and also painters get it. The most important thing to do to cure it when it is in its beginning stage, is stretching
http://www.row2k.com/physio/wrist.html
http://www.planetkc.com/exrx/Stretches/ ... eated.html
http://www.sportsrehab.info/chiropracti ... flexor.pdf
I prefer the second and third link.

Another possibility would be that your biceps tendon has been dislocated. This would mean that your biceps power has greatly diminished. Is that the case?

Lastly, avoid the pain as much as possible. Don't look for the pain, or you will get more and more inflamed tissue and that is hard to get rid off. Like the others suggested: find for ways that put less stress on the wrist flexors (when doing upright rows they do do a static contraction). Bandages can help but not often. More psyschological: you are reminded by the bandage of the possible pain and thus avoid it. Use your other hand until it gets better.

On the nutrition side I'd recommend more fatty acids (against the inflammation) and more green foods, including algae (this comes from Chinese Medicine).
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Postby V VII Hero » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:51 pm

thank you.


I went to the chiropractor. my left elbow was out of place, as was my wrist. I didn't even know. she popped it into place and i have more of a range of motion now. and i can fully extend my arm. im gonna let it rest for a week. hoep everything settles back into place. then i wil let you all know how its doing.
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Postby loveyourself » Wed Aug 25, 2004 9:50 pm

Yes, just like everyone is saying use the other arm if you can. Our bodies are amazing. We put so much strain on them and they resist until they just can't anymore.

I would suggest getting some alternate help with this problem also. Try going to a massage therapist and see the results you can recieve. You don't want to aggrivate it futher. Also you want to make sure u know what u are dealing with.

If you have time do an ice massage in the morning before going to work or working that area for about 15 mins. Then at nice do a hot bath soak on that area for about 30 mins. Do some self massage on the area throught the day. And take care of yourself.

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Postby V VII Hero » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:18 am

my right elbow/forearm/wrist now has the problem too, since i decided to paint only with my right hand today.

im done painting. I guess I have overused my wrists and elbows painting. bodybuilding is on hold for now. so is playing bass, until I heal.

I went out and bought:

MSM 1000mg (vegetarian): Methylsulfonylmethane- is a natural sulfur compound critical to the formation of healthy connective tissues and proper joint fuction.

I am also gonna go out and buy a thing of "Bromelain", since I am running out of pineapples.
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Postby V VII Hero » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:20 am

I was told intially that stretching would only aggrevate the tendons even more. I have to wait til they heal some more, before I can slowly strengthen them through stretching and isometrics.

in a way this is kinda neat, because it is helping me understand my body more, and will help me greatly for when I become an athletic trainer. but at the same time is sucks, cause I want to bodybuild!


once I am better, its back to yoga and bodybuilding for me.
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Postby Heyutang » Thu Aug 26, 2004 2:27 am

for sure hero, don't stretch now. At that time I didn't know that you had a subluxation in the elbow( hard to tell from here :) ) Rare, but it does happen. Prob your therapist will prescribe you some stabilizing exercises, right? Don't overdo it, or the ligaments there will be so lax that it may develop into a chronic thing. Any idea on what caused it? Did you fall some time ago?
You can still do many leg exercises! But give your arm some time to heal.
Strange you get it in both arms. IS your painting technique ok? Or do you have a tendency for lax ligaments and thus are very flexible- i.e. could you over-extend your elbows?
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Postby V VII Hero » Thu Aug 26, 2004 6:26 pm

she told me to come back to her in a week and she will show me what stabilizing exercises to do.

I didn't fall or anything. she suggested my muscles became so tight from overuse that the tendons pulled the elbow out of place.


yeh im lifting for my legs now and i am making sure not to overdo it either. 8)


my painting technique is amazing. i am very safe and effecient, not to mention I work at a good solid pace. I'm one of the best painters they've ever had.

I have very good flexibility from when I used to be in gymnastics. my doctor said that could cause me problems when I get older....
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Postby Pete » Thu Aug 26, 2004 7:41 pm

A great chance to get you legs (quads, hams & calves) up. You can see from your pics that your legs are behind your shoulders & arms, so now's your chance to hit them hard. You're not "on hold" with your bodybuilding, you're doing a specialisation cycle that will allow allow your legs to get up with your top half, you are aiming at improving your symmetry, a vital goal for a BBer.
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Postby Heyutang » Thu Aug 26, 2004 11:14 pm

Hero, so your tendons were so tight that they subluxated your radius (right?). If that's the case then the evildoer would be be a tight and shortened biceps. Maybe you forgot to stretch before and after your workouts? Always do man, brings blood to and transports lactic acid etc away from the muscle, and lengthens the muscle. Try to stretch both the agonists and the antagonists, beacuse otherwise you may develop an imbalance between them (if you don't have that already). That would mean stretching bi- and triceps successively. Also, take a look at the rest of your muscles, how is your hamstring length? If they are shortened, they might cause lower back tightness and injury later. Stretch them together with your quads.
So you did gymnastrics before- may be related to your elbow problem! and lax ligaments... No worries, just try to do more stabilizing and proprioceptive exercises (nervous system training so your joints learn to align and position themselves correctly). Your therapist will give you some erxercises, for sure.
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