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Postby Pete » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:25 pm

Blooming heck Josh. Yes, it does. A thick bar like that is going to add something to your gripping power.
If you've been "stuck" at 6 for a while, why not try keeping the reps the same & adding weight. You might find you're rubbish a high reps, but can keep adding weight no problems.
If you're really into trying to get more reps though, you could try ladders.
They can help you build up in reps if you work really hard (a training partner who's a bit stronger at the move is a good incentive too).
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Postby josh » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:31 pm

I might be getting a squat rack soon (for free :D ) with a normal size bar. I'll have to try adding weight some time. And do I just need a weight belt for that or is there a way of doing it without one?
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Postby Pete » Sat Jul 17, 2004 6:35 pm

If you've got a back pack that could work for the time being. I've seen some "hard as nails" old timers hold a dumbbell between their feet & do reps.
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Postby JP » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:03 pm

josh, you are in a serious advantage for doing your pull-ups on that kind of bar mate! Don't give it up, thats a fantastic grip exercise! I sometimes use the football goal post when doing circuit training with Prenna and thats about the same thickness.

For me, it does cut 20-30% off from my reps when the hands start sending the signal to your brains "stop this, it's too heavy, we are going to fail soon!" and suddenly you just can't do any more reps - nothing to do with lat strength!
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Postby wannalift » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:16 pm

josh,
give it up. why on earth would you want to sacrifice 20-30% :?: your lats will never reach their potential that way. there are plenty of other exercises you could do for a strong grip like farmers walks and such. also, the sooner you start adding weight to your pull up, the better.
thats great you're getting a squat rack. i'm looking to buy or possibly build one when i move next month. good luck with it.
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Postby JP » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:21 pm

[quote="daviddenton"]why on earth would you want to sacrifice 20-30% :?:


see your point mate, but if he would stick with it, in the end it would make no difference if it was thin bar, or thick bar - plus he would have a hell of a grip!

Perhaps a mix of the two?

Though if grip isn't of interest, then it's true it would hold the lat development back...

Anyways, i am looking into getting thick bar handles, and eventually when i get a home gym set up, thick bar barbells (scaffolding bars) to do all my rowing etc. Sure for couple months the weights will drop but after that i'll have a monster grip :D
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Postby wannalift » Sat Jul 17, 2004 7:47 pm

hey joni,
ever consider becoming a "wrenchless" pipefitter :)
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Postby J » Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:09 am

Thanks for the compliments on my chin-ups. By the way, I don't mean to brag. I'm just pointing out that I really think pullovers help A LOT for chins.

Josh
I agree with David, I'd train grip seperately. If that bar is all you have for now, I'd use something to help you hold on when doing chins. On the other hand I'm not too sure training to failure is necessary to get stronger and in some cases may actually be counterproductive so it's possible your lats are better off with your hands failing too soon.
But I could be wrong.
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Postby hannibal » Tue Aug 31, 2004 4:48 am

[quote="Pete"]go as near to lockout as possible, but don't go slack as that can be bad for you. Also a lot of people give a "squeeze" of the lats at the top, but you can just go for reps if you prefer.

hi pete (and others who recommended not going to lockout), i've always done chins 'dead hang' style and haven't had any problems.. do you have any more info on what's actually bad for you about locking out?
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Postby J » Tue Aug 31, 2004 2:34 pm

If it doesn't hurt I wouldn't worry about it.
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Postby Pete » Thu Sep 02, 2004 6:08 pm

It can hurt some peoples shoulders & elbows, but as emph said...if it don't hurt...I can probably dig up scary info if you'd like specifics, but in all honesty I can do that about any activity you'd care to name, most of this stuff is subjective. Every exercise hurts someone, it's like playing the odds. So, if you feel fine doing it, then I'd keep on doing it, but any warning signs (like tendonitis in the elbow, or pains in the shoulder region, then maybe see if it's pull ups, just take action when you know the problem, that is the main cause of chronic injuries, bloody mindedness!)
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