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ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Fri Jul 16, 2010 8:38 pm

hey!

me and I a friend of mine are planning too compete in a 100k race next summer
all tips are welcome!

he already ran 2 marathons, the furthest I ever ran is 34k


thanks a bunch!
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby crapiecorn » Tue Jul 20, 2010 1:33 am

I would do something like :
2 longs runs, 3 easy runs and a day off after a long run / week.

Which 100k are you planning to do ? I was thinking about running the dodentocht, but the hard surface is probably going to kill me.
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Tue Jul 20, 2010 8:06 pm

nacht van Vlaanderen, I was born in Torhout
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby crapiecorn » Tue Jul 20, 2010 11:19 pm

[quote="cyclebot"]nacht van Vlaanderen

I also considered that race, but the 13h cutoff time is out of my league.
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby MikayP » Thu Jul 22, 2010 11:15 pm

well the good thing is that you got a year...plenty of time for most people to prepare for an ultra. with your previous distance experience im sure you can do it with your marathon fitness

does it have any climbs? if so id suggest training on the terrain that is like the race itself. if theres many climbs you got to do 90%+ of the people will walk those so id suggest setup hiking days where you do brisk hike repeats up those. they can take possibly HOURS off your total time.
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Sat Jul 24, 2010 12:19 pm

nope, the course is flat
on the internet I learnt that every form of training that keeps you in the LSD-zone is good, so I can keep cycling as a part of my preparation
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby runner » Sun Jul 25, 2010 3:29 pm

would run 2 marathons this year.

target on 3,5 hours or less.

see how you do.

think that if the limit 100km <13h would be reduced the event would become a walk instead of a race.

nothing wrong with walking, but why call it a race?
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Sun Jul 25, 2010 9:08 pm

first marathon coming up: Brussels marathon
the course is pretty hilly, but speed won't be an issue
I just want to finish and keep my heart rate low
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby skoptic » Wed Jul 28, 2010 1:09 pm

Good work fella ... sound advise above. I've done many ultras - and I love them ... hope you will too :-)

I'd tag a couple of marathons like people say. In the last 4 months or so it would be good to get a 50 - 70k training run in (or event if you can find it). This will get your body used to going past more distance thresholds - but more than anything it will be mental preparation and confidence you get.

Most people will walk a bit during these races so feel free to have a wander on the marathon+ runs - even if it's just 2 minutes while getting some food out of your pack - on a flat ultra it's good to use different muscles even if for a few mins.. I don't care what you call the event - but I don't mind calling it a race even if you walk - I've seen some killer athletes walk on the way to race wins. Most people who'd comment on that wouldn't have ever run these distances anyways..

So I reckon you don't need to go mental on distances in training - keep up your speedwork & tempo - but focus most of the week on LSD ... and make those weekends count with some good miles. (by the way - you've got ages .... I would have a 4 month plan for a 100K - but from a good base)
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Thu Jul 29, 2010 7:12 pm

well my cardio-vascular base is ok, I have no problem with cycling 100+ miles
I have to work on the structural side of things though: joints, specific running muscles etc...

Walking some distance will be crucial part indeed, I'll have to do some decent eating during the race


any specific foods you can recommend?
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby skoptic » Thu Jul 29, 2010 10:00 pm

[quote="cyclebot"]any specific foods you can recommend?


Good work - sounds like you'll be fine :-) It's 90% mental at that distance anyways....

So my food tastes have changed over years of ultra running - I think you can just grow tired of some things. Basically try and keep it fairly savoury (the odd gel is useful .. but you can be put off by sweet things quite easily). I used to pack some bagels with peanut butter, but now I like to eat trek bars, dried mango and peanuts :-) ...

So try foods and eating schedules in your training .... including eating while running (it's funny but loads of people from my club talk about having to eat 3 hours before a race... because of running ultras I'm so used to running and eating together that I don't have that problem!). Sometimes I follow a schedule where I run 58 mins and then walk 2 while eating ..
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby MikayP » Fri Jul 30, 2010 5:40 am

some foods i like for me really long stuff are mejidol dates and bananas
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Fri Jul 30, 2010 8:45 pm

bananas
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"succes du jour" pure vegan vanilla sweetness
speculaas

what do you drink?
on my bike I usually have a bottle of isostar and a bottle of water
maybe some soymilk to nutralize the sweetness?
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby crapiecorn » Fri Jul 30, 2010 10:29 pm

[quote="cyclebot"]
maybe some soymilk to nutralize the sweetness?

I prefer rice milk over soy, I find the protein in soy milk a bit hard to digest while running, also makes me gassy ;-)
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Re: ultramarathon

Postby cyclebot » Sat Jul 31, 2010 6:34 am

haha, poor people behind me (if any)
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