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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby mtns » Wed Mar 14, 2012 6:12 pm

I find it very hard to get that much protein. For me that would be about 140 grams of protein. I have tracked mine and the most I get in a day is 100 and that is when I eat tofu that day. What do you all eat to get your protein up? What does one of your days look like?
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby wannalift » Wed Mar 14, 2012 10:24 pm

[quote="mtns"]I find it very hard to get that much protein. For me that would be about 140 grams of protein. I have tracked mine and the most I get in a day is 100 and that is when I eat tofu that day. What do you all eat to get your protein up? What does one of your days look like?
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It depends on how many calories you consume in a day and if you are aiming for a specific ratio. Often you are better off back-calculating your protein needs that way. If you diet is 2000 calories and you wanted 30% to come from protein, then 2000*(0.30)/4 = 155 grams. Likewise, 1500 calories would be 113 grams. Here is everything I ate for today with the calories and grams of protein listed:

1. Shredded oat cereal w/ soymilk - 600/18
2. 4 oz orange juice - 50/0
3. Shake (rice/pea protein, 1/2 cup oats, 2 tbsp chia seeds, 3 tbsp shredded coconut, 1 banana) - 750/51
4. 1/2 lb fried tofu w/ 1/8 cup (dry) brown rice & peanut sauce - 500/33
5. 8 oz/ vegetable juice - 50/2
6. Carrots - 35/0
7. 5/8 cut TVP - 150/30
8. 24 almonds - 200/10
9. Brussel sprouts - 40/3
10. Clif builder bar w/ 1/4 cup peanuts - 450/26 (post workout meal)
11. Shake (rice/pea protein w/ 1 tbsp flax oil 3 tbsp shredded coconut) - 400/41
12. 2/3 cup peas - 100/4
13. 5/8 cup TVP - 150/30
14. BCAA & Glutamine - 32/8

Total: 3500/256 (29% protein)

Activity for the day:

Lunch break: Weighted pull/chin ups, shrug rows, grip medley complex
Gym: Heavy front squats, Hungarian hang clean to RDL complex, 1-leg press (heavy 20 reps), abs, metcon (deadlift, box jump, 1 arm row 7:10)
Mountain bike: (intense 1-hour conditioning ride)

This is a very typical day for me as I tend to eat the same things everyday. The calorie intake closely matches my activity level for the day. Might be a little light actually? Let's see how my legs handle this ride coming up. It could be considered too heavy on soy protein, but I don't buy that pseudo-science about soy protein being bad for me. I feel stronger than ever on this diet in terms of my overall work capacity. I am coming back from shoulder tendinitis, but it looks as if I may catch up with my pre-injury bodyweight & strength levels by the end of April (if not sooner). This time though, despite coming back from injury, I will do so with almost 1" reduced from my waistline (~ 2mm less on the skinfold calipers).
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby JP » Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:52 am

[quote="wannalift"] after lowering the carbs and upping the protein/fat are much much better.


did you keep the cal intake exactly the same?

usually people tend to drop the cal intake when they make this change...

For beginners/intermediates makes little sense to adopt diets which are a pain in the bum for long run, but for advanced guys like yourself i cant see the harm if it works for you.
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby wannalift » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:36 am

[quote="JP"][quote="wannalift"] after lowering the carbs and upping the protein/fat are much much better.


did you keep the cal intake exactly the same?

usually people tend to drop the cal intake when they make this change...

For beginners/intermediates makes little sense to adopt diets which are a pain in the bum for long run, but for advanced guys like yourself i cant see the harm if it works for you.


I actually INCREASED my average calories by 200-300 per day after making the switch to this diet. I also added in the metcons 3x/week which is why I increased the calories in the first place. Now I may have to slightly increase them again to compensate for some of these mtn bike rides. All I can say regarding the possible confounders is that these are the same adjustments in calories I have always made when doing complexes and or mtn biking.

Regarding the diet, I don't think it's that much of a pain. I of course am a meticulous planner so I guess it's easier for me than most people. I'm obviously not very attached to food either, emotionally. I'm most proud though of finally getting 5 servings of vegetables/day since I have always hated vegetables (the jokes write themselves on that one). It's not even a low-carb diet, it's really just one of moderation. I still had ~350 grams of carbs yesterday. If I had not been mindful of such, it would have been ~550 or more and I'm finding that amount to be just unnecessary.
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby JP » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:40 am

yeah changing more than one variable at the time makes it hard to know what was the cause, but all this is nitpicking :)
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby wannalift » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:49 am

[quote="JP"]yeah changing more than one variable at the time makes it hard to know what was the cause, but all this is nitpicking :)


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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby Lordmuppet » Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:51 am

I'm surprised to see TVP in your diet. I assumed you'd avoid that due to it being a processed food.

Put more bluntly, I had assumed it was junk but would love to be corrected on this as it is so cheap relative to other soy! :)
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby wannalift » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:07 am

[quote="Lordmuppet"]I'm surprised to see TVP in your diet. I assumed you'd avoid that due to it being a processed food.

Put more bluntly, I had assumed it was junk but would love to be corrected on this as it is so cheap relative to other soy! :)


I don't follow the notion that anything processed is automatically bad for someone. Certainly my protein powders, soymilk, tofu and even my orange juice is "processed". The dangers of a food stemming simply from it being processed are true in some cases, but mostly exaggerated.
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby JP » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:13 am

i agree, would throw baby out with the bathwater just having a blanket ban on everything "processed".
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby Lordmuppet » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:17 am

[quote="wannalift"][quote="Lordmuppet"]I'm surprised to see TVP in your diet. I assumed you'd avoid that due to it being a processed food.

Put more bluntly, I had assumed it was junk but would love to be corrected on this as it is so cheap relative to other soy! :)


I don't follow the notion that anything processed is automatically bad for someone. Certainly my protein powders, soymilk, tofu and even my orange juice is "processed". The dangers of a food stemming simply from it being processed are true in some cases, but mostly exaggerated.


right that's commonsense :) I had lumped TVP in my head with the fake meats for some reason. I'll take a second look at it, thanks :)
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby wannalift » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:51 am

[quote="Lordmuppet"][quote="wannalift"][quote="Lordmuppet"]I'm surprised to see TVP in your diet. I assumed you'd avoid that due to it being a processed food.

Put more bluntly, I had assumed it was junk but would love to be corrected on this as it is so cheap relative to other soy! :)


I don't follow the notion that anything processed is automatically bad for someone. Certainly my protein powders, soymilk, tofu and even my orange juice is "processed". The dangers of a food stemming simply from it being processed are true in some cases, but mostly exaggerated.


right that's commonsense :) I had lumped TVP in my head with the fake meats for some reason. I'll take a second look at it, thanks :)


Well, it is used a lot in fake meats. The issue there though (if there is one) is all the extra ingredients/chemicals used for flavor. I just eat it plain after soaking it in water. That's probably not too appealing to most people, so my suggestion would be to harden the f*ck up! ;)
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby wannalift » Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:54 am

[quote="JP"]i agree, would throw baby out with the bathwater just having a blanket ban on everything "processed".


Welcome to the post Michael Pollan world where my TVP is apparently way worse for me than local (emphasis added) raw beef liver.
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby blinki » Thu Mar 15, 2012 4:29 pm

[quote="Talyn"][quote="Fallen_Horse"]Do you like olives and avocado?


+1

hommus
peanut butter
almond butter

If anything, I find it way too easy to eat too much fat!

Hummus is the only one of those I really like but I make my own and it ends up lower fat than shop bought. I don't mind peanut butter that much and used to make myself eat some every day. I could force myself to get more but i don't really want to.

It's more a question of whether there's some cutting related benefit to doing it? At least more than making sure I get all my healthy fats

[quote="wannalift"] I just eat it plain after soaking it in water. That's probably not too appealing to most people, so my suggestion would be to harden the f*ck up! ;)

Using stock instead makes it better than just water. But if I eat it I so something like chilli so it's just a texture in the chili taste
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby kallefs » Sun Mar 18, 2012 12:48 pm

[quote="kallefs"]I have found chocolate chip cookies. I will just leave this thread silently for another week.

Despite delicious cookies I only gained a 1/2kg. Will see what it shows next Sunday morning. Cutting starts now. Or after a bowl of pasta, smoked tofu and sauce.
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Re: Cutters Corner

Postby ida » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:52 am

[quote="ida"] Will be interesting to see if I will maintain this weight when getting back into training full speed again, or if I will regain my lost kg's.


Training is going well but I am still dropping weight after VFW which is interesting and unexpected, since I am eating like normal and training like normal. This morning before breakfast I was back to my 22-year old self, weight-wise at least :lol:
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