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Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Sun Jul 08, 2012 10:47 pm
by beforewisdom
[quote="wannalift"]I eat the same things almost every day. Very often the exact same things at the exact same quantities. It's not nearly as bad as the tittybabies on here are making it out to be.


I don't think I've mentioned enough how much I appreciate the high caliber of conversation and maturity here.

IMO, using pejoratives befitting of an adolescent doesn't make a contribution to muscle growth, strength, conditioning or health. It doesn't even make you seem tougher.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 12:04 am
by Fallen_Horse
Define tittybabies?

Also, calling people tittybabies probably doesn't help the conversation, but neither do replies like 'why even try this, it is stupid.' I don't care if anyone thinks it's stupid, and I don't want to know if anyone thinks it's stupid, I simply want to know if it's possible and if it would be healthy. 'Boring' means nothing when food is treated as fuel.

If a post doesn't contribute positively to the subject of the thread, then there is no need to post at all.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:11 am
by wannalift
[quote="beforewisdom"][quote="wannalift"]I eat the same things almost every day. Very often the exact same things at the exact same quantities. It's not nearly as bad as the tittybabies on here are making it out to be.


I don't think I've mentioned enough how much I appreciate the high caliber of conversation and maturity here.

IMO, using pejoratives befitting of an adolescent doesn't make a contribution to muscle growth, strength, conditioning or health. It doesn't even make you seem tougher.


Fair enough, but the amount of 'internet science' and armchair psychology already in the this thread is rather disconcerting. The concept of a wide variety of food is a rather new one for humans and to infer that it is a biological and psychological necessity to have such is utter horsefeathers. Provided that you are getting all of the required vitamins, minerals and macronutrients, you can live a perfectly healthy life without a wide variety of different foods. Over half of the world goes to bed without getting enough calories to sustain themselves and people here are worried they might eat the same thing two or three days in a row and develop some kind of debilitating physical or psychological disease? Come on.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 3:03 am
by Goob
[quote="wannalift"][quote="beforewisdom"][quote="wannalift"]I eat the same things almost every day. Very often the exact same things at the exact same quantities. It's not nearly as bad as the tittybabies on here are making it out to be.


I don't think I've mentioned enough how much I appreciate the high caliber of conversation and maturity here.

IMO, using pejoratives befitting of an adolescent doesn't make a contribution to muscle growth, strength, conditioning or health. It doesn't even make you seem tougher.


Fair enough, but the amount of 'internet science' and armchair psychology already in the this thread is rather disconcerting. The concept of a wide variety of food is a rather new one for humans and to infer that it is a biological and psychological necessity to have such is utter horsefeathers. Provided that you are getting all of the required vitamins, minerals and macronutrients, you can live a perfectly healthy life without a wide variety of different foods. Over half of the world goes to bed without getting enough calories to sustain themselves and people here are worried they might eat the same thing two or three days in a row and develop some kind of debilitating physical or psychological disease? Come on.

I agree, a bunch of tittybabies!

Also, that doctor should lose her job. Food is not an allergen. Google says 4% of people have any kind of food allergy, and those people are meant to have died in the natural world. We should not base our lives on what they cannot eat. I have a fair few allergies, so I assume that means I am prone to allergies, but I've had no issues eating soy foods, beans, wheat, nuts, and seeds daily for the past 12 years.

EVERYONE SHOULD BE EATING BEANS, NUTS, AND SEEDS EVERY DAY.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:27 am
by jpowell
[quote="Goob"]Google says 4% of people ... are meant to have died in the natural world.


Wow, that's harsh. Google may do a lot of trash talking, though, since it doesn't discriminate ideas... so-called "white pride", the importance of eating red meat to be classified as a man, why we must all become Islamic jihadists, .... you get the picture.

It is quite possible the other poster was in fact one of the 4% of people with some food allergies, or even part of a much smaller percentage that have several very serious food allergies, so while "just eat beans, grains, nuts and seeds" daily may be great advice for most of us (as long as that's not all we eat!), it's not really very fair to push that as a response no matter what.

For the record, my unqualified opinion (and not particularly knowledgeable either, on this point), is that there most likely are at least SOME types of these foods that they can eat freely, and all they need is one that's high in lysine, one high in methionine to be on easy street. Just as an example, white rice can provide reasonable methionine, and I really doubt it's very allergenic for anyone, and I have never heard of lentils being allergenic (but you never know). Failing that, they could possibly still make a vegan diet work *well enough* by other means, e.g. significantly increasing protein intake from a wide variety of nutrient dense veges or taking amino supplements. Wouldn't that be more humane and better for the vegan cause than leaving them to suffer and die, or sending them down to the local butcher's as an alternative?

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 6:54 am
by jpowell
[quote="wannalift"] The concept of a wide variety of food is a rather new one for humans


The concept may be, but the practice, maybe not so. I think you just have to look back a few hundred years in most cultures around the world (including Europe), less in some, to find cultivation or widespread gathering of plants for food from quite a wide variety of botanical families. That's not an evolutionary time frame, by the way. Compare that to a modern food supply heavily based on mass farmed soya, grains, and animal products (from animals that are fed those soya and grain crops), or to modern green grocers where almost everything green is a brassica or lettuce, and in some sense we are greatly impoverished.

There is of course a trade off. Adequate caloric intake is now much more affordable in much of the world (even this is not 100% good news), and the places it's not.... e.g. parts of rural China, Africa.... you may still find them gathering all those wild herbs and "weeds". IMHO it's much better to have the best of both worlds, if possible.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 7:03 am
by jpowell
By the way, I would absolutely pay reasonable fair trade based prices for a genuine variety of dried edible greens that you could just add to soups or soak in boiling water, drain and add seasoning to eat, and I imagine I'm not the only one. Maybe there's a business out there to be made of this?

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:11 am
by sergio
Come on, tittybabies doesn't count as an insult!

Limited vegan diets doesn't seem a good idea for me. I wouldn't stick to the same meal plan everyday even if a thousand of scientists with a zillion of spreadsheets proved it the perfect way to eat. Your life, your choices; as long you remain healthy it will be ok, but for me food is more than fuel. There are guidelines everyone following a vegan lifestyle should follow, though.

Of course I'm not a competitive bodybuilder/lifter, and my opinion is not based on science (neither bro, neither pro) so maybe it doesn't count too much. :)

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 11:25 am
by tal
Never heard of the term tittybabies before, so I learned a new word today.

If you're eating very limited foods purely for convenience - then that's great, more power to you, I often do this myself sometimes.

If you're eating very limited foods under some understanding that it's better for you or more healthy, then this is silly and not something that should be recommended.

To address the OP: for bodybuilding it is not necessary. The reason why some bodybuilders do this is probably a mixture of convenience and bro-science. If you want to do it that's fine, good luck to you, but don't do it thinking it is better for you or even necessary.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 1:33 pm
by beforewisdom
[quote="sergio"]Come on, tittybabies doesn't count as an insult!


But it is juvenile and one of the nice things about VF is that it is an oasis of intelligent fact based, mature, conversation among anything but among other exercise and vegan forums.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 2:37 pm
by sergio
[quote="beforewisdom"][quote="sergio"]Come on, tittybabies doesn't count as an insult!


But it is juvenile and one of the nice things about VF is that it is an oasis of intelligent fact based, mature, conversation among anything but among other exercise and vegan forums.


Agreed. Not too much beef here (pun intended).

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2012 4:14 pm
by Goob
[quote="jpowell"][quote="Goob"]Google says 4% of people ... are meant to have died in the natural world.


Wow, that's harsh. Google may do a lot of trash talking, though, since it doesn't discriminate ideas... so-called "white pride", the importance of eating red meat to be classified as a man, why we must all become Islamic jihadists, .... you get the picture.


Google has never told me any of that stuff. Must be your line of questioning :P

My point is, people don't develop allergies by being exposed to things that do not cause them any irritation. Only ~4% of people are allergic to foods, that's not very many and nobody should worry about being one of those people till something happens to suggest they might be one of them. It doesn't matter how allergic someone else is, if you aren't allergic, then you aren't, so you don't have to watch out for anything.

Something like half of people have non-food allergies and I've never heard or read anything about anyone being worried about becoming allergic to any non-food substance. And being someone that is allergic to dust and pollen, I can say I'd rather have to avoid peanuts than

[quote]Remain indoors in the morning when outdoor pollen levels are highest.
Wear face masks designed to filter out pollen if you must be outdoors.
Keep windows closed and use the air conditioner if possible in the house and car.
Do not dry clothes outdoors.
Avoid unnecessary exposure to other environmental irritants such as insect sprays, tobacco smoke, air pollution, and fresh tar or paint.
Avoid mowing the grass or doing other yard work, if possible.

also air filters and allergy medications so I don't have itchy, swollen eyes, a runny nose, and difficulty breathing for most of the year.

If people can accept that they will not just become allergic to non-food substances, why can't they accept that they will not just become allergic to food?

And, tittybabies is just funny! Sure, sometimes between the shiny, disco, lemon, dbol taking, crack smoking talk there is some serious discussion about tans and 'ceps, but I have never thought of this forum as an overly serious and "mature" place. If it was that sort of place, I'd never have signed up, because that's not interesting or welcoming.

Diet is not that important once the basics are covered, so it doesn't need to be taken seriously. Humans don't need a specific type of diet, it's why we can be vegan and other people can not eat carbs.

Re: Same foods everyday?

PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2012 4:01 pm
by Ombah
I guess you haven't seen The Matrix?