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Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:43 pm
by wannalift
[quote="Talyn"]Read labels, get a set of food scales, and use a spreadsheet like google docs. Easy.


This. If you set it up right, the only thing you have to do is enter the quantity of food. It literally takes me less than 20 seconds to enter my days worth of food and it's setup to calculate:

- Calories, protein, fat, carbohydrates of each food item
- Percentage of protein, fat, carbohydrates of each food item
- Total calories, protein, fat and carbohydrates
- Total percentage of protein, fats, carbohydrates
- Total calories each day (use to calculate weekly avg, etc.)

I only keep long-term records for the total calories each day, but I'm very mindful to stay in the optimal macronutrient range.

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 4:03 pm
by JP
i dont really calculate, just now the protein.

nailing 400 has been tough, been busy so preparing food has not been optimal. I go through tempeh like cake now!

have to say, first fumble has been that my overall calorie intake has fallen, and that shows in bodyweight already, plus feeling weak. Its because i dropped the carbs too much by mistake, the protein makes me feel so full that me as an intuitive eater just realise after the day that hey, i ate hardly anything today!

i have not been at 400 since the first day, most days its been 370-380, maybe i will just make the shakes a bit bigger to reach that magical mark...

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:24 am
by JO
Sounds like you need to up the carbs not necessarily the protein. I have that problem a lot. Ms. Denial or something... Hence the lentil rigmarole... :)

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:35 am
by baldy
[quote="JP"]the protein makes me feel so full that me as an intuitive eater just realise after the day that hey, i ate hardly anything today!.

I am trying this experiment with just 2x60g shakes a day, maybe 3 on training days if I can stomach it. Not going to hit 400g protein but probably easily doubling my protein intake.

Feel the same thing, protein just makes you feel full. Have 60g shake for breakfast and a coffee not hungry till lunch time, no space for mid morning snack.

Struggling to drink the shakes though, 700ml is a lot to drink in one shot.

400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 10:54 am
by tal
[quote="baldy"]
I am trying this experiment with just 2x60g shakes a day, maybe 3 on training days if I can stomach it. Not going to hit 400g protein but probably easily doubling my protein intake.

Feel the same thing, protein just makes you feel full. Have 60g shake for breakfast and a coffee not hungry till lunch time, no space for mid morning snack.

Struggling to drink the shakes though, 700ml is a lot to drink in one shot.


OT, but I'm curious. How many calories do you get in per day?

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:25 am
by Konstantin
[quote="gabrielxxx"][quote="blinki"]
I use Live Strong's MyPlate because it has more UK foods (I'm never sure US equivalents are nutritionally the same) than any other I tried so not sure it'll be useful for you in that sense but it is otherwise alright. If it weren't for UK foods I'd probably use Spark People


I'll look up Spark People.

How do you guys keep up with amounts? I suck at guesstimating, do you buy scales and such?



I use Chronometer too, it's easy if you don't go into too much detail. I weight some stuff but everything and sometimes use other info (eg packet totals and estimate if I used half etc.).

BTW an easy protein boost I use is seeds. I grind about 200g in a coffee grinder and mix it in with soaked/boiled dates or ground dried pineapple. Tastes good and there's 50g of protein. Make that 1.6kg of seeds JP and there's your protein for the day.

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:49 am
by baldy
[quote="baldy"][quote="JP"]the protein makes me feel so full that me as an intuitive eater just realise after the day that hey, i ate hardly anything today!.

I am trying this experiment with just 2x60g shakes a day, maybe 3 on training days if I can stomach it. Not going to hit 400g protein but probably easily doubling my protein intake.

Feel the same thing, protein just makes you feel full. Have 60g shake for breakfast and a coffee not hungry till lunch time, no space for mid morning snack.

Struggling to drink the shakes though, 700ml is a lot to drink in one shot.

I would guess about 3500, based on when I worked it out before.

Yesterday:
7:30 60g protein + 1/2 banana = 300
9:00 Soya Latte = 150
12:00 large falaffel 1000
12:30 500ml coke = 200
14:00 builders bar = 250
17:30 red bull = 160
20:00 sports drink = 120
21:00 shake again = 300
22:00 pasta rough guess at the calories = 1000
22:30 alpro desert = 100

Works out to 3580 and that was a bad day, so maybe hitting close to 4000 on a good day.

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:18 pm
by ninearms
Bulkers who guess are likely to overestimate. Dieters who guess are likely to underestimate. Unless you're eating 300g dry weight of pasta then 1000 kcals is way over the mark (and I'd question why/how anyone would eat 300g dry weight of pasta).

Just weigh things and stick them into something like myfitnesspal if you have an iphone (ridiculous amount of things in the food database - I test scanned a few barcodes and it even has my BCAAs in!).

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:42 pm
by baldy
[quote="ninearms"]Bulkers who guess are likely to overestimate. Dieters who guess are likely to underestimate. Unless you're eating 300g dry weight of pasta then 1000 kcals is way over the mark (and I'd question why/how anyone would eat 300g dry weight of pasta).

Doubters ! I have no idea how many calories but it filled a swedish glaze tub, so probably 500gm and was unit20 style pasta 1/2 tub hummus, some olives and tons of olive oil (like 30ml).

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:44 pm
by baldy
[quote="ninearms"]Bulkers who guess are likely to overestimate......
Just weigh things and stick them into something like myfitnesspal if you have an iphone (ridiculous amount of things in the food database - I test scanned a few barcodes and it even has my BCAAs in!).

Bulkers who keep a calorie diary should spend more time eating and less time playing on there iPhone.

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:47 pm
by Herbsman
[quote="ninearms"]Bulkers who guess are likely to overestimate. Dieters who guess are likely to underestimate. Unless you're eating 300g dry weight of pasta then 1000 kcals is way over the mark (and I'd question why/how anyone would eat 300g dry weight of pasta).

I ate 300g one time! It took me a long time though. I meant to eat 150g for dinner and save the other 150 for work the next day, but I'm greedy.

400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:32 pm
by tal
[quote="baldy"]
Bulkers who keep a calorie diary should spend more time eating and less time playing on there iPhone.


^^^

The reason why you can't get to 105kg.


Logging food properly takes me about five minutes a day.

And, I just started bulking myself.... on 3500 calories a day. I'm 69kg.

Just sayin'

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:45 pm
by ninearms
[quote="baldy"][quote="ninearms"]Bulkers who guess are likely to overestimate. Dieters who guess are likely to underestimate. Unless you're eating 300g dry weight of pasta then 1000 kcals is way over the mark (and I'd question why/how anyone would eat 300g dry weight of pasta).

Doubters ! I have no idea how many calories but it filled a swedish glaze tub, so probably 500gm and was unit20 style pasta 1/2 tub hummus, some olives and tons of olive oil (like 30ml).


200g pasta dry weight max. If that...

400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:40 pm
by tal
If only he had weighed the pasta, we wouldn't be even having this discussion...

If it fit inside a swedish glace tub, think it was more likely 150g... unless it was one of the neapolitan tubs? Might fit 200g in there.

Re: 400+ grams of protein experiment

PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 4:44 pm
by Goob
[quote="ninearms"][quote="baldy"][quote="ninearms"]Bulkers who guess are likely to overestimate. Dieters who guess are likely to underestimate. Unless you're eating 300g dry weight of pasta then 1000 kcals is way over the mark (and I'd question why/how anyone would eat 300g dry weight of pasta).

Doubters ! I have no idea how many calories but it filled a swedish glaze tub, so probably 500gm and was unit20 style pasta 1/2 tub hummus, some olives and tons of olive oil (like 30ml).


200g pasta dry weight max. If that...

When I have pasta, I eat a whole box myself. It's 375g dry weight, which works out to ~1300 calories . With plain tomato sauce it's near 1500 calories. I eat from a 2 liter measuring cup, and that fills to ~1500ml mark depending which sort of pasta. Seems if I can do that at 80 kg bodyweight, baldy can manage 2/3 as much quite comfortably.