by Gelert » Mon Dec 13, 2010 4:36 pm
[quote]Yes, we all know about your claims as a great scientist. However, I would be highly suspect of any "science' you engage in, because you are so extremely biased based on your own beliefs and experiences. You aren't objective in your views which will taint anything you study.
Ouch, I haven't been hurt so deep inside since the last five-minute internet hardman tried to touch my soul with some ad hominem waffle to cover up their own deficiencies of argument. That really cut me deep. Congratulations, big boy, I'm really feeling the love.
Meanwhile on planet earth:
[quote="CoeyCoey"]Your main argument about raw food is that your feces would not flush? Seriously??? Please tell me this isn't how you conduct an experiment!
No - it most defnitely isn't. But it's how you'd like me to conduct the "experiment" though to judge whether raw foods are the way forward or not:
[quote]Some of you science worshipers need to stop reading biased studies and try experimenting for yourself.
Well, whoopdedoo. One of us did.
Now that the "personal experience" is not so glowing on the whole you try to invalidate it. Own goal?
As I said in the post, and the one just before now, hooray if your personal experience is positive. I don't deny yours being positive for one minute. In fact I positively welcome the fact that it's so outrageously positive it makes you want to launch passive-aggressive attacks on all others whose experiences don't fit your exact preconceptions, and censor the expression of those who you deem inferior. Your gaslighting makes me happy. So happy it practically gives me wood.
Elements of my experience were positive and I said as much. But on the balance I decided that spending 45 minutes at a time on bowel admin was not how I wished to live my life.
This broad canon of experience is why I don't make the argument from anecdote as a rule, unlike yourself. Pennies are dropping here. CoeyCoey, did you happen to post on here before as ducati? Sometimes the posting mode rings some bells about the person behind the keyboard. If so, perhaps you will remember the signature et si omnes ego non? Even if all others will, I won't? Even if not, maybe there's a lesson there on the diversity of experience, opinion and judgement. And ultimately its utility in making objective decisions. Newsflash for you: everyone is biased. Even you. This is why I replicate and randomise, and use statistics to support the conclusions I present to anonymous peer review. Whereas your argument stems from
n=me.
In fact, do you have any substantial argument for raw foodism, other than your claims it makes you, yourself
feel good? Anything that we can't discount that you're getting high off your own placebo effect?
I'm afraid your guess about the fruits is off because I'm well aware that the high levels of sugar in fruit can cause such issues. This was five years ago, so I couldn't give you a bite-by-bite account of what I ate, but I've never been a mad-about-fruit person so it wasn't a problem to be cool about them. I kinda wish I'd taken a photo of the turds in question. I do know a little about shit, but to be honest, and I hadn't had such weird shit since my ninth birthday and I ate far too much cake with green icing. This was more like cat diarrhoea.
Re. the "enzymes" stuff. You may not make that claim, but a number of people do and it is regularly cited as a key argument for raw foodism in the literature I've read, the people I've met and listened to on the topic. It is the one thing that keeps cropping up, so in the absence of a "ten commandments of raw foodism" it's a reasonable starting point. I don't for one minute consider all raw foodists subscribe to the belief, but it does seem fairly central to the arguments made. I tend to pick on it because it is so ridiculously falsifiable that it ought to get through to anyone and everyone that it's not just my shit that smells of BS on this topic.
by ninearms » Mon Dec 13, 2010 6:49 pm
[quote="Maddy"]If it works and makes you feel good then great - if it doesn't then find something that does
Like cooking? I love cooking. It would be nice if people just let me get on with it.
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by beforewisdom » Mon Dec 13, 2010 10:33 pm
[quote="CoeyCoey"]
Your main argument about raw food is that your feces would not flush?
No it wasn't his main argument. it was a reply to your criticism that those who criticize raw foodism never tried it themselves.
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You want to defer to something a little more sophisticated? You mean studies conducted by scientist who likely have no detailed knowledge of the subject they are studying? I read a LOT of studies, and most of them have such bad data sampling and analysis that they are laughable.
Are you stating that because a number of scientists do shoddy science that the findings of science in general should not be considered above people who are not doing science at all.......authors of books on raw foodism?
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That is when I realized personal experience is a far greater indication of success than someone with an overpriced degree.
In the past, in threads like this, at this point I would jump into unsolicited lecture why anecdotal accounts are not a reliable means of gaining knowledge. It just occurred to me that a person claiming to have enough experience with practicing science in order to dismiss the scientific method has already had that point presented to them in their career and did not see the value. No disrespect to you, but writing statements that seem to be unaware of the value of such a rule of thumb would tend to make others have questions about your claimed expertise. No personnel offense. I'm not a scientist nor do I work in the natural sciences as you do.
by thestoatyone » Mon Dec 13, 2010 11:21 pm
[quote="CoeyCoey"][quote="Big Good Wolf"]
The constant association with raw food and other fads isn't helping.
How can you make a statement like this? I am sorry, but it is just plain hilarious. Humans ate raw food before they ate cooked processed crap. It is not a fad, it is the natural way to eat. What is not a fad to you? Eating tofu and potato chips?
Humans also roamed around naked on the African savannah before we developed a taste for clothing and a wider range of living environments. If you want to be true to your ancestors, a happy future of sunburn, exposure and a slow death by dehydration beckons. I on the other hand,, am off for a pie, a pint and something more productive to do with my time than eating my body weight in fruit...
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by VeganGraham » Tue Dec 14, 2010 1:50 am
[quote]...Vegans are still considered oddball...
And who's fault do you think that is ?
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by baldy » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:11 am
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Humans also roamed around naked on the African savannah before we developed a taste for clothing and a wider range of living environments....
Personally I was a lot happier roaming around the beaches of Africa semi naked.
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by stateofflux » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:13 am
[quote="baldy"][quote="thestoatyone"]
Humans also roamed around naked on the African savannah before we developed a taste for clothing and a wider range of living environments....
Personally I was a lot happier roaming around the beaches of Africa semi naked.
Indeed, preferably with a juicy, cooked Fry's burger in one hand.
by Gelert » Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:36 am
[quote=".flux"][quote="baldy"][quote="thestoatyone"]
Humans also roamed around naked on the African savannah before we developed a taste for clothing and a wider range of living environments....
Personally I was a lot happier roaming around the beaches of Africa semi naked.
Indeed, preferably with a juicy, cooked Fry's burger in one hand.
I'm so glad you said burger and not one of Fry's other products there.
