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Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:31 am
by Bounce
I can't find much stuff on Berocca...

So far as I know, the soluble tablets are vegan, but I have been trying to find if the company itself is quite a bad one, if they research on non human animals, or hurt human animals...

Does anyone know?

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:38 am
by muchluv
Yes, Bayer do test on animals, and yes Berocca, like any other medicine like it, will have been tested on animals. They're a large Pharmaceutical company and will test like any other.

If you trace Bayer back, IG Farben-Bayer created the gas that killed the jews in the holocaust, and I have also heard 'bought' jews to test other things on.

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 11:53 am
by muchluv
Have a look on wikipedia for Bayer, then at their controversies. I have to say, theirs is long. Many, most, ALL?! companies have some kind of dark side, and when it comes to Pharmaceutical companies, it gets a lot worse. But even compared to others Bayer probably stands out as being really bad.

Although this has nothing to do with me trying to stop you from taking berocca! lol.

I just don't like pharmaceutical companies. They are, after all, companies, and companies make money. If a pharmaceutical company could make 100 pounds a year from a drug, or sell a one of cure for 50, which are they going to do? It's not really in their benefit to actually cure people, rather make them partially better to keep selling the drug.

Sorry, I'm ranting. :P. I'm tempted to edit that last bit out because its irrelevant and depressing but I'll leave it in.

I assume from what you're saying, that maybe you are considering whether or not to buy it. It's so frustrating, isn't it? So many companies have their hand in animal testing somewhere, and if not animal testing, something other than it that's nasty :(.

LOL just read they discovered heroin, so we have that to thank them for, too

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 10, 2010 4:09 pm
by thestoatyone
The sainsburys berroca style disolvable vit B things are labelled as vegan. Don't know where they come from, and I guess it ain't exactly saintly, but an alternative non-the-less.

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:31 pm
by powerlifer
Im not fond of synthetic vitamins anyway unless you cant get from a natural source.

I prefer nutritive herbs such as nettle, alfalfa and other superfood powders over synthetic vitamins.

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:04 pm
by thestoatyone
Well yeah food first and all that. I just neck one once a week to cover my B12 needs. Do not diss me on this or I'll set Ava on you :P

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 12:00 pm
by powerlifer
[quote="thestoatyone"]Well yeah food first and all that. I just neck one once a week to cover my B12 needs. Do not diss me on this or I'll set Ava on you :P


Ohh yeah dont get me wrong there is some synthetic vitamins which cant be avoided such as vitamin b12, i usually just take an sub-lingual every other day.

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 3:55 pm
by Hiking Fox
There's no such thing as synthetic B12, according to Ava. It is produced by bacteria grown under controlled conditions, rather than bacteria you find in random amounts in animal shit.

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 4:39 pm
by Gelert
[quote="Hiking Fox"]There's no such thing as synthetic B12, according to Ava. It is produced by bacteria grown under controlled conditions, rather than bacteria you find in random amounts in animal shit.


Ava would be WRONG!!1! if she said that.

You can synthesize it pretty much from scratch (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B1 ... _synthesis for an easy step-by-step guide for making it in your own kitchen...) but because the chemistry is so complicated it's easier/cheaper to get microbes to make hydroxocobalamin, purify it and then react it with cyanide to form the more stable form cyanocobalamin which your liver can then metabolize into the active form. So it's more of a "semisynthetic". Certainly not "naturally occurring" in the form you take it anyway.

Re: Berocca

PostPosted: Fri Nov 12, 2010 5:47 pm
by ska face
Bayer also makes Redoxon fizzy Vitamin C and Zinc which is labelled suitable for vegans on the packaging.