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Postby ObiWanKenobi » Sun Jan 31, 2010 7:40 pm

Gelert wrote:No, no, I suppose OWK is correct. Scientists can and do have conflicting interests. We're people after all.

I mean, just look at the two papers that have been the subject of most intense discussion here.

Ornish, 2008 wrote:Dean Ornish writes general-interest books on preventive medicine,receives lecture honoraria, and consults with food companies to make more healthful foods.


(doesn't mention that the diet studied is in fact, the Ornish diet, or that he is chairman of the PMRI, which aims to promote his books.)

Donaldson, 2004 wrote:Michael Donaldson is a research scientist at the Hallelujah Acres Foundation, a foundation for investigations pertaining to the Hallelujah Diet. Funding for this review was provided by the Hallelujah Acres Foundation.


(The Halleujah diet is an attempt at a biblically-based diet)

I wonder what the current evidence-based medicine approach to dealing with gunshot wounds sustained to one's foot is.

For reference, I have no competing interests - despite allegations to the contrary earlier by OWK, I've never worked in or received any support from industry, financial or otherwise. My only agenda in this thread is to try and keep sweeping up the bullshit.


Thanks for your efforts gelert, I removed them from the list.




However ...


... still remaining...


Too much meat, dairy raises breast cancer risk
..."Overall, we observed that there was a higher risk of breast cancer among women who ate foods rich in animal fat such as red meat, cheese, ice cream and butter during their 20s, 30s and 40s," Cho said. ...
(Link)

Vegan diet "cuts prostate cancer risk" (Link)

Meat and its ties to Cancer (Link)

Breast Cancer Epidemic Looms in China
China is on the cusp of a breast cancer epidemic, according to the current issue of the Journal of the National Cancer Institute. ... Meat intake has risen dramatically in Asia in recent years, and dairy products are now heavily promoted. Traditional rice, soy, and other products have become less fashionable.
(Link)

Okinawa, fabric of a long life
... The three authors -- Dr. Bradley Willcox, a geriatrics fellow at Harvard Medical School, his twin brother D. Craig Willcox, and Dr. Makoto Suzuki, professor emeritus at Okinawa's Ryukyu University medical school -- said Okinawans' low-calorie, plant-based diet high in unrefined carbohydrates affords protection against most diseases associated with aging. ... The authors observed that Okinawans are able to spend more of their lives free of disabilities than people in other industrialized nations. "Heart disease is minimal, breast cancer so rare that screening mammography is not needed, and most aging men have never heard of prostate cancer," they said. ...
(Link)

Animal Fat & Cancer (Watch)

Vegan proteins may reduce risk of cancer (Link)

... Intakes of both saturated and monounsaturated fat were related to modestly elevated breast cancer risk. Among food groups contributing to animal fat, red meat and high-fat dairy foods were each associated with an increased risk of breast cancer. Conclusions: Intake of animal fat, mainly from red meat and high-fat dairy foods, during premenopausal years is associated with an increased risk of breast cancer. ... (Link)


Animal foods, protein, calcium and prostate cancer risk: the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition. (Link)

High Levels of Saturated Fat Found to Promote Ovarian Cancer
Now, the first large study of diet and ovarian cancer, published in The Journal of the National Cancer Institute, suggests the link is real. ... For every 10 grams of saturated, or animal, fat a woman ate per day, her risk of ovarian cancer rose 20 percent.
(Link)

Vegetarians less likely to develop cancer than meat eaters, says study (Link)

Breast Cancer risk increases with red meat (Watch)

Diets rich in fat from red meat and dairy products can increase a person's risk of contracting cancer of the pancreas, researchers are warning. ... (Link)

... Higher intakes of several individual red meat items were also strongly related to elevated risk of ER+/PR+ breast cancer. ... (Link)

Molecule found in meat, milk and tumours (Link)

Hormones in milk can be dangerous (Link)

What are the major sources of dioxin and related compounds in the human diet?
Dioxins are lipophilic compounds which accumulate in the fat of animals. The types of foods which tend to have the highest dioxin concentrations are dairy products, meat and poultry, eggs, fish, and animal fats (Eduljee and Gair, 1996). Green vegetables, fruits and grains are the types of foods with the lowest dioxin concentrations. The draft dioxin reassessment concludes that dioxin is a human carcinogen and that the lifetime cancer risk associated with the average person’s body burden of dioxin is between 1 in 1000 and 1 in 100. This estimate of risk is ten times higher than EPA’s previous estimate and represents a very significant public health concern.
(Link)

... Our analysis shows a consistent, statistically significant, positive association between breast cancer risk and saturated fat intake in postmenopausal women (relative risk for highest vs. lowest quintile, 1.46; P <.0001). A consistent protective effect for a number of markers of fruit and vegetable intake was demonstrated ... If these dietary associations represent causality, the attributable risk (i.e., the percentage of breast cancers that might be prevented by dietary modification) in the North American population is estimated to be 24% for postmenopausal women and 16% for premeno-pausal women. [J Natl Cancer Inst 82:] ... (Link)

Potential Correlation between Lactose Intolerance and Cancer Occurrence (Link)

Food as medicine (Watch)

Milk doubles chance of ovarian cancer
Drinking more than one glass of milk a day could double the risk of developing a certain type of ovarian cancer, according to a new study. ...
(Link)

Lung Cancer And Fat Level
Research by the National Cancer Institute, reported today, has found that nonsmoking women with diets high in saturated fat have about four times the usual risk of lung cancer. ...
(Link)

If you eat a lot of saturated fat, you may be more at risk for cancer of the small intestine, according to a new study.
Saturated fat, considered one of the unhealthy fats, typically comes from animal foods, such as meat and dairy. Cheese, sausage, and butter are all high in saturated fat. ... Authors note that past research has positively linked red meat to many other kids of cancer, including colorectal cancer and cancers of the stomach and the esophagus.
(Link)

Breast Cancer Weapons: Fruit, Vegetables and, Maybe, Olive Oil (Link)

Some bedtime stories for you gelert.
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Postby Gelert » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:00 pm

oh gawd.

This is turning into the cancer epidemiology equivalent of monty python.

Look, you stupid bastard. You've got no arms left!
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Postby ObiWanKenobi » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:17 pm

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Postby Gelert » Sun Jan 31, 2010 8:53 pm

I'm not sure why you're posting that, after all, you're the only one who has advocated diets based upon animal products & research here!
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Postby xrodolfox » Mon Feb 01, 2010 2:01 am

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Postby beforewisdom » Sat Feb 06, 2010 11:06 pm

mabli wrote:I wonder if there’s something in the vegan diet that stops folk being able to use the phrase “Lets agree to differ”, Ive noticed it in myself to a lesser extent. It's a useful phrase and potentially saves days of arguing with folk who clearly cant / or refuse to see one’s point :wink:


OFF WITH HER HEAD! :)

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Postby ObiWanKenobi » Sat Feb 13, 2010 5:12 am

Recent news on this topic

Red wine and dark chocolate cancer killers: researcher
Red grapes and dark chocolate join blueberries, garlic, soy, and teas as ingredients that starve cancer while feeding bodies, Angiogenesis Foundation head William Li said at a prestigious TED Conference. "We are rating foods based on their cancer-fighting qualities," Li said. "What we eat is really our chemotherapy three times a day." ... Li cited a Harvard Medical School study showing that men who ate cooked tomatoes several times weekly were 30 to 50 percent less likely to have prostate cancer. ... The foundation pitted some foods against approved drugs and found that soy, parsley, red grapes, berries and other comestibles were either as effective or more potent in battling cancer cells. Eaten together, the foods were even more effective in fighting cancer. ...


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Remember: No health benefits from milk chocolate!
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Postby ObiWanKenobi » Fri Mar 26, 2010 8:39 pm

Gelert wrote:All this study shows is that if you make men do an hour's yoga, half an hour's walk and improve their diet, their cholesterol goes down, they lose weight, some genes go on and off, but it doesn't actually do anything for the prostate cancers they have. Morbidly, they could end up being slim, low cholesterol people who also died of cancer.

So read this, and read it again

IT DID NOTHING THAT WE CAN TELL FOR THEIR CANCERS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THEIR CANCERS GOT WORSE

No Gelert, there is evidence of a direct connection between food and switching on specific gene expression (not just "weight loss" or "having nice time").

Broccoli nudges genes to fight prostate cancer
Just a few more portions of broccoli each week may protect men from prostate cancer, British researchers reported on Wednesday.
The researchers believe a chemical in the food sparks hundreds of genetic changes, activating some genes that fight cancer and switching off others that fuel tumors, said Richard Mithen, a biologist at Britain's Institute of Food Research.
... The researchers also took tissue samples over the course of the study and found that men who ate broccoli showed hundreds of changes in genes known to play a role in fighting cancer.
The benefit would likely be the same in other cruciferous vegetables that contain a compound called isothiocyanate, including brussel sprouts, cauliflower, cabbage, rocket or arugula, watercress and horse radish, they added.
... The broccoli eaters showed about 400 to 500 of the positive genetic changes with men carrying a gene called GSTM1 enjoying the most benefit. About half the population have the gene, Mithen said.

Link

Very interesting stuff.
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Postby Gelert » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:03 pm

ObiWanKenobi wrote:
Gelert wrote:All this study shows is that if you make men do an hour's yoga, half an hour's walk and improve their diet, their cholesterol goes down, they lose weight, some genes go on and off, but it doesn't actually do anything for the prostate cancers they have. Morbidly, they could end up being slim, low cholesterol people who also died of cancer.

So read this, and read it again

IT DID NOTHING THAT WE CAN TELL FOR THEIR CANCERS. FOR ALL WE KNOW THEIR CANCERS GOT WORSE

No Gelert, there is evidence of a direct connection between food and switching on specific gene expression (not just "weight loss" or "having nice time").



Oh gawd, you're still at it. Please, for your own sake....just give it a rest...

Trying to discuss transcriptomics with you is the equivalent of shooting someone who turned up with a knife to a gunfight.

We've established that the microarray results mean the cube root of zero for their cancers for several reasons. Snorkelling on the topic for a coupla months before surfacing in the hope I've gone away so you can continue your disinformation hasn't worked.

In the meantime, I happened to pass on a pdf of this paper to a few friends well acquainted with cancer genetics and functional genomics for their comments. Let's just say it didn't survive their peer review. I only suppose PNAS let it in because there is no option in their reviewer forms for double facepalm.

Please turn the fail down from 11. It's too much.
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Postby Talyn » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:39 pm

Gelert wrote:Please turn the fail down from 11. It's too much.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOXsA8sp_E
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Re: Opinions? Curing Cancer From The Inside Out

Postby ObiWanKenobi » Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:01 pm

Well-done meat doubles bladder cancer risk
... "These results strongly support what we suspected - people who eat a lot of red meat, particularly well-done red meat, such as fried or barbecued, seem to have a higher likelihood of bladder cancer" ...

read more: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8629358.stm
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Re: Opinions? Curing Cancer From The Inside Out

Postby ObiWanKenobi » Sat May 15, 2010 7:34 am

ObiWanKenobi wrote:Animal foods, protein, calcium and prostate cancer risk: the European Prospective Investigation into Cancer and Nutrition.
Read more

There is also an American meta-study about prostate cancer & milk consumption:

Prospective Studies of Dairy Product and Calcium Intakes and Prostate Cancer Risk: A Meta-Analysis
... Results of this meta-analysis of published studies support an association between greater dairy product and calcium intakes and an increased risk of prostate cancer. Men with higher intakes of dairy products or calcium were 11% or 39% more likely to develop prostate cancer, respectively, than men with lower intakes. Our findings are consistent with results from several ecologic studies (46–48) that found associations between milk consumption, especially consumption of nonfat milk, and prostate cancer incidence and mortality. ... Prostate cancer currently ranks sixth among all specific causes of death in the United States (1). Dose–response analyses suggested that, among male adults, intakes of 3 servings/d of dairy products were associated with an approximately 9% greater risk of prostate cancer, compared with the current average intake of 1.8 servings/d (53) (RR with and without intercept term = 1.1 and 1.09, respectively). In the United States, this would be associated with approximately 20 000 more incident cases per year. ...

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:shock: same results & shocking figures, but i've already mentioned it several times here that 32 grams of dairy protein are not worth 20.000 human lives.

... monthly health care costs [are] $2,187 for prostate cancer ... Costs for controls were $329 per month ...
(Source)

Annual costs:
$30,192 / Person

and for 20.000 Persons:
$603,840,000 a year ...

I think dairy industry should pay this bill!

Heather Mills McCartney: wants cancer causing dairy banned
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Postby chronyx » Sat May 15, 2010 10:39 am

Talyn wrote:
Gelert wrote:Please turn the fail down from 11. It's too much.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeOXsA8sp_E


:mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

:? :? :? :? ...........These go to eleven

That's some funny shit!
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Postby etherspin » Mon May 17, 2010 11:58 pm

ObiWanKenobi wrote:Recent news on this topic

Red wine and dark chocolate cancer killers: researcher
Red grapes and dark chocolate join blueberries, garlic, soy, and teas as ingredients that starve cancer while feeding bodies, Angiogenesis Foundation head William Li said at a prestigious TED Conference. "We are rating foods based on their cancer-fighting qualities," Li said. "What we eat is really our chemotherapy three times a day." ... Li cited a Harvard Medical School study showing that men who ate cooked tomatoes several times weekly were 30 to 50 percent less likely to have prostate cancer. ... The foundation pitted some foods against approved drugs and found that soy, parsley, red grapes, berries and other comestibles were either as effective or more potent in battling cancer cells. Eaten together, the foods were even more effective in fighting cancer. ...


Reade more: Link

Remember: No health benefits from milk chocolate!


heres his talk on TED , he speaks about foods to prevent angiogenesis
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Re: Opinions? Curing Cancer From The Inside Out

Postby ObiWanKenobi » Mon Jul 05, 2010 3:22 pm

How eating red meat can spur cancer progression
Researchers at the University of California, San Diego School of Medicine, led by Ajit Varki, M.D., have shown a new mechanism for how human consumption of red meat and milk products could contribute to the increased risk of cancerous tumors. Their findings, which suggest that inflammation resulting from a molecule introduced through consumption of these foods could promote tumor growth, are published online this week in advance of print publication in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). ...

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