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Postby Heyutang » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:34 am

JP, interesting question. I do know the main ingredient in Udo's oil is flax oil, and I also think that Udo himself is a vegan, but that is just assuming on my part after what I read about him. I will try later to send an email to him to see if we can get an answer to this.
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My Vegan mass diet…

Postby muscle-militia » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:46 pm

This is my comp diet - now it is the sme just about 1000 calories more - just extra food - loads of food:

8.30 90+ pea PRO, 100g Oats with bran + UDO, Banana, wholemeal toast
& Ferrous Supphate. Est Cal 860. Est Protein 60g

10.30 Baked potato (or Yam) with small salad/Olives etc, 1 tin 3 Quorn
fillets, soya cheese 4 amino tabs. Est Cal 300. Est Protein 40g

12.30 MRP - 90+ pea PRO, with Glucose c or maltodextrin (50g carb)
Est Cal 350. Prtein 45g

3pm Baked potato (or Yam) with small salad/Olives etc, 1 tin 5 Quorn
fillets, soya cheese 4 amino tabs. Est Cal 300. Protein 50g

5pm (pre work out) 8veggie burgers, rice, veg + roll &
90+ pea PRO +UDO Creatine. Cal 800. Protein 70+g

5.30 Glutamine & Grapefruit

6pm Training + Glucose & Grapefruit

7.30pm Post work out: 90+ with Glucose c or maltodextrin (50g carb)
baked potato & spinach, UDO, Aminos Est Cal 690. Protein 60g +

9.30 90+ pea PRO & Banana & seed/nut mix. est Cal 250. Protein 50g

10pm Soya/90+ pea PRO & Banana & seed/nut mix & 1 teaspoon
of peanut butter. Cal 250. Protein 55g

Total 3500 - 4000 cal Protein @ 420g :lol:
100% Natural - 100% meat free muscle!!
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Postby Mary » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:48 pm

Wow, you are nearly vegan! If it wasn't for the egg in the quorn that would be a vegan diet. Must take a lot of discipline, perhaps even more than the weights, not to succumb to hunger... (or cravings for fruit, icecream, etc.)
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Postby JP » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:51 pm

bloody hell mate, thats practically vegan!!! With the exeption of quorn (with it's egg as one ingredient), everything looks like vegan foods?
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Postby JP » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:51 pm

hehee, mary beat me to it, you are quick ;)
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Postby Mary » Fri Aug 20, 2004 6:56 pm

Joni and I are obviously psychic... something for the supernatural thread perhaps. :lol:
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Yep!

Postby muscle-militia » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:04 pm

Quorm will be out soon too - so full on vegan. I am as near as you can get!

I am working on a full 4500 cal vegan as we speak but it means extra meals. I am up the lab testing the carb/fat ratio. To be honest it is a World Title Vs Quorm and the egg.
…Vegan is going to win tho - just gota work it out LOL!!
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Postby Mary » Fri Aug 20, 2004 7:16 pm

There you go. I knew you would be seduced by the vegan side of the force. :twisted: Excellent news!
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Re: Yep!

Postby JP » Fri Aug 20, 2004 8:34 pm

[quote="muscle-militia"]Quorm will be out soon too - so full on vegan. I am as near as you can get!

I am working on a full 4500 cal vegan as we speak but it means extra meals. I am up the lab testing the carb/fat ratio. To be honest it is a World Title Vs Quorm and the egg.
?Vegan is going to win tho - just gota work it out LOL!!


fantastic stuff mate! I hope this board can help you out as well and gtive inspiration on how to take that last step without compromising any of your gains - or who knows give you a good boost in the process!

Being vegan is not a compromise for me, or should i say i refuse to believe i have to compromise anything in form of gains and development and health in general. In fact, veganism gives me the mental boost when i get even more stubborn to prove to all the meaties out there that i can, and will, do it :D

Good luck bro.
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Postby muscle-militia » Fri Aug 20, 2004 9:09 pm

Thanx dude! :lol:
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Postby Heyutang » Sat Aug 21, 2004 12:40 am

JP, I've sent an email to Florahealth with a question about the oils for vegans. Maybe this could go into another thread? Anyway, here is what I found on their website already:[quote]MM2K: A lot of bodybuilders are using flaxseed oil exclusively. Are they perhaps creating some sort of imbalance by relying too heavily on flax alone?
ERASMUS: Short term, they're okay. Long term, they're going to have problems. You see, I was the one who introduced flax oil for consumption. That was my first oil. And I've moved away from it because of the poor balance of Omega-3's to Omega-6's. It's too rich in Omega-3's, and people become Omega-6 deficient if they use it exclusively for too long.

MM2K: What if I can't use Udo's Choice and I'm using flax oil; what can I do right now to remedy this situation?
ERASMUS: If you mixed flax and sunflower-seed oil, you could balance the Omega-3's to 6's. Use about three tablespoons of flax to every tablespoon of sunflower

I found two articles that are of direct interest for bbers: http://www.udoerasmus.com/articles/reviews/item12.htm and
http://www.udoerasmus.com/articles/reviews/item15.htm . Many more articles and some studies there as well. The man is not vegetarian though, as they talk about eating beef, fish and butter as well.
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