folding bike help needed (again)

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folding bike help needed (again)

Postby Rochellita » Thu Oct 28, 2004 6:59 pm

ok, as I move in 2 weeks, bar anymore delays. I will need a bike. I'm still thinking of getting a Dahon folder and the only two decent ones in my price range are these:

http://www.dahon.co.uk/vitessed3.htm

http://www.dahon.co.uk/boardwalkd6.htm

So my question is this- can one of you bikefreaks tell me which one you'd choose, based on the spec and bearing in mind the price difference between the two? Is the more expensive one worth the money (obviously the spec is all you can go on, but most of the spec doesn't say much to me- I just know that both bikes have had decent reviews, and I need to make a choice between the two).

It will be for commuting 5-7 days a week, not great distances, mainly inner city commuting.
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Postby fredrikw » Thu Oct 28, 2004 9:18 pm

This is a close call I'd say. The specs looks quite similar, and the things that separates them are not the type of components you generally find on other bikes (ie custom made for folding bikes). Even though the frames are of different materials, the bikes seem to weigh the same, and the difference between internal gears and regular derailleurs could be a matter of personal choice. Internal gears are more hassle free, but then you only get three gears as opposed to the derailleurs six gears... The Sram internal gear might be of slightly better quality, but there are so many more non-servicable parts of an internal gear that could break down than on a regular external gear. but then again, most people never have problems with their gears, and when they do, a decent repair shop can help you fix it...

I'll say what I said the first time, try them out and pick the one you like the most, spec wise I'd say they are roughly in the same category.

As a personal side note, I'd go for the cheaper one (the Boardwalk) for two stylish reasons; steel is cooler than aluminum and a chainguard is never cool 8)
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Postby Rochellita » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:06 am

fredrikw wrote:As a personal side note, I'd go for the cheaper one (the Boardwalk) for two stylish reasons; steel is cooler than aluminum and a chainguard is never cool 8)


Thanks for that, it's useful advice- I was wondering about the internal gear (that's the hub, right?). So do you think that the Vitesse might be a bit overpriced?

My problem is this- I can't get Dahon's in Manchester or from anywhere nearby, so I'm mail ordering the bike (I could mail order from the UK, but I'm getting it from a recommended dealer in Germany where it's much cheaper.) So I can't try them out. As far as servicing the bike goes, my local bike shop only sells Brompton's (ugly things), but I'm hoping they could service any folder should the need arise.

It is a big risk, but the folding bike market is small (and growing) here in Manchester, where people don't commute by bike as much as in other cities I've lived - it's either Brompton's, that dominate the market, or really expensive top-end bikes ranging from 600 to 2,200 pounds- like Airnimal, Birdy and Bike Friday.

Oh, one thing- I hate chainguards as well- but it's always raining in Manchester- ah, that's another thing to ask. What kind of tyres perform best in a rainy climate, and are Kevlar tyres really worth getting?
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Postby fredrikw » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:34 am

Hm, don't know if it's overprized or not, it's hard to say.

Looking at http://www.roadbikereview.com, the Boardwalk seems to have been around for a while, and people seems to be pleased with previous models. It's usually a good sign if a specific model has been around for a couple of year.

The basic services that you would require includes adjustments of breaks and derailleurs, hub overhauls, wheel truing and similar things that are common to all bikes, so I wouldn't worry so much about this. But still, water is your worst enemy when we're talking about hubs... And if your derailleur breaks down for some odd reason you can always replace it with another one, changing hub or gearing mechanism on anm internal gear is not that easy. But still, most internal gears just keeps on working for years without any problems. But I would prefer six gears instead of three.

Tires and rain is always hard, really good tires for wet conditions wears very quickly. Generally, the less deep tread pattern you have the better, since the tread pattern often shovels water upwards. On the other hand, you loose traction if it's slippery... again, no simple answer I'm afraid. I'd choose a slick or a semi-slick tire, and be careful in the rain until I'm familiar with the tires performance when wet.

Finally, kevlar is a good thing for two reasons, they generally weigh less which is a very good thing, and they often have more resistance to flats. There is nothing worse than having to fix a flat when commuting to work.

Hope this helps...
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Postby fredrikw » Fri Oct 29, 2004 7:43 am

Rochelle wrote:Oh, one thing- I hate chainguards as well- but it's always raining in Manchester- ah, that's another thing to ask. What kind of tyres perform best in a rainy climate, and are Kevlar tyres really worth getting?

Another thing, the chainguard will only protect your pants from getting greasy from the chain, rain doesn't make any difference in this case.
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Postby Rochellita » Fri Oct 29, 2004 8:33 am

sheesh, I know so little about bikes! Well, then I don't see the point of mudguards really on a folder- would just add unnecessary weight and I've never actually had a bike with mudguards- I really thought that they provided some protection as well :?
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Postby fredrikw » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:10 am

But I'd definitely recommend having a mudguard on a commuter bike. (chainguard=plastic cover over the chainline, mudguard=fenders over the tires), otherwise you will look rather suspicious when coming to work with your behind covered with grey-brownish fluid spots... :D
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Postby Rochellita » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:19 am

I didn't have mudguards or chainguards on my last bike- just one more thing to get stolen, but I always wear rainproofs, so I never get too dirty. Unlike you, I am not stylish :wink:
Though I did recently acquire a rather gorgeous Sugoi cycling top (I use it for running though!)
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Postby Rochellita » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:38 am

ooh, I found this on Ebay. Not a bad deal

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ... Track=true

same as the Dahon I think- they have licensed their technology to other companies and I think this is one of them!
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Postby fredrikw » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:47 am

http://www.bikewizard.co.uk/main/212/_/ ... lding+Bike

it looks like the same bike (besides the color of course), and the model name is the same too (Boardwalk)... I'd say go for it!
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Postby Rochellita » Fri Oct 29, 2004 9:57 am

yes, I'm going to bid in on it!
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Postby Rochellita » Fri Oct 29, 2004 4:29 pm

well, I almost got it- was outbid by 2 pounds :( I wasn't fast enough!
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Postby fredrikw » Sat Oct 30, 2004 5:17 am

too bad, but it's easy to get carried away in these online auctions and paying a lot more than you planned... talking from my own experience here :)
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Folding Bike?

Postby scenthound » Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:08 pm

Why a folding bike? Unless you need to take in into an elevator, consider a full size road bike. Even just a cheap one that you don't mind locking up on the street. One good reason is tires. I commuted 5000 miles a year to work in Portland, Oregon in all kinds of weather. Heat, rain, snow and ice. I'll just skip the snow and ice part since no one in their right mind rides in these conditions.

The tires. After years of carrying several spare tubes and even a back-up patching kit, averaging several flats a month and often more (sabotage?) - one lucky day I ran into a mechanic at City Bikes and discovered the ultimate flat proof tire. It is the Conti-Top Tour. They are heavy and only take 75psi, but you can run through glass all day with these. He told me he'd been using them for six years and no flats, including touring across Europe. I've used them ever since and had only one flat. That was from a roofing nail.

While it is possible that they are available for smaller wheels, they are definitely made for 700, 27, and 26 size. It's also nice to have good local bikeshop support.

And consider the utility of having a more suitable machine for shopping and recreational rides.
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Re: Folding Bike?

Postby fredrikw » Mon Nov 01, 2004 2:41 pm

scenthound wrote:I'll just skip the snow and ice part since no one in their right mind rides in these conditions.

well, I must disagree with you on this. there's nothing wrong with riding during the winter on snow and ice, just use the right gear. when I was commuting I rode my bike all year, from the occasional summer day with 25-30 degrees to freezing winter evenings with as low as -20 (but that's cold I must admit...)
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