Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Going vegan and new vegans in need of support or information.

Moderators: hardcore iv, fredrikw, JP, Rochellita, bronco

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby beforewisdom » Sat Jan 28, 2012 2:44 pm

Veg.Head wrote: With that said, all the medical related topics I've been taught do not cover much vegan/raw food type of stuff and I feel a little out of my element.


See the hyperlink in my signature. It points to a *SHORT* article about where to find Reliable vegan nutrition information ( as in by registered dieticians who are vegans and who keep up with the latest nutrition research ).

Jack Norris RD, has a daily checklist of nutrition to-dos. You might want to print one off one per day make sure you do EVERY THING for two weeks to see if that makes a difference.

I realize B12 & iron can be complicated. I take a multivitamin everyday and eat a whole cornucopia of fruits & veggies.


You might want to read this *SHORT* article on vitamin b-12 by Jack Norris RD. B-12 can be hard to absorb, multivitamins can impair that, particularly the big horse pill type. You might do better with the kind of lozenge you hold under your tongue until it dissolves. Furthermore some people don't absorb cyancobalamin ( the cheap form of b-12 ) well. They need to get the more expensive form or possibly even need to get b-12 shots. Again, the article is short, its solid and one of the best so read on...

I could be lacking a bit on the protein a few days a week though.. I'm still trying to get the nutritional side of a vegan lifestyle down.....


The 10 second guide to [b]*OPTIMAL* ( not just minimally "adequate" ) vegan protein intake:[/b]

At every meal, eat one of the following combinations:
- legumes (beans, peas, lentils, soy, peanuts ) and *WHOLE* grains
- legumes and seeds

Optional: have a protein drink once a day. I recommend Lewis Labs Brewers Yeast.
Unlike protein powders brewers yeast is a real, whole, food. In addition
to protein it has a lot of iron, a ton of b vitamins, other vitamins and gobs
of minerals.

I've been monitoring my blood pressure the last 5 months and have noticed a huge change. Prior to last September, my blood pressure always sat around the typical 120/80. It is now reading 97/68. Is this normal?


Ask a doctor if it is normal. Your blood pressure could have dropped due to inadvertently cutting your sodium intake by getting off of processed foods. It could help to increase your sodium levels. If that is the case, I prescribe kosher pickles.

As far as getting enough calories goes, it is possible to feel full and still not get enough calories. This is particularly true if you are very active and eat a lot of produce. Produce has a lot of bulk ( fiber and water ). Since your stomach only has so much room you will get the signal to "feel full" on fewer calories. That is why people who eat vegan diets consisting of *mostly* whole foods tend to lose a little fat.

You might want to try some more concentrated sources of calories like nut butters, *WHOLE* grain breads and pastas, soyfoods, etc.

Remember, read the short article in the link in my sig and read the materials there. As far as anything you can do to help yourself short of going to an RD & an MD, that literature has it.

Good Luck.

"The plural of anecdote is not data." (Roger Brinner)
beforewisdom
Active Member
 
Posts: 1560
Joined: Sun Sep 05, 2004 8:33 am

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby downhillingdemon » Tue Mar 13, 2012 10:51 pm

Do you have heavy periods?
"You can't hide from your shadow"
User avatar
downhillingdemon
Active Member
 
Posts: 919
Joined: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:45 am

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby TarekF » Thu Aug 09, 2012 5:23 am

I second beforewisdom's input.

Jack Norris does really good work with that website, very scientific and from my understanding has helped many vegans who do not eat or supplement properly.

Are you feeling better at all?
"All beings tremble before violence. All fear death. All love life. See yourself in others. Then whom can you hurt? What harm can you do?"
-Buddha
User avatar
TarekF
Active Member
 
Posts: 139
Joined: Fri Nov 28, 2008 5:48 pm
Location: Phoenix, AZ

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby jakobh » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:48 pm

Veg.Head wrote:I think you guys might have been right about the calories. I calculated everything today and am at 1400 calories. Also, my potassium intake was incredibly low. I bet that is the cause of the fatigue. Thanks for pointing out the obvious! I'm gonna tweak my routine and see if things improve. :)

Thanks again!
Hey Veg.Head,

how's it going? Any improvements? I also wanted (although a bit lately) answer your question regarding my feelings after turning vegan:

While not spending much attention to RDA's and rather trying to eat healthy in general, I in fact had the feeling of being a bit less powerful after “cutting out” and replacing milk and cheese in January. As I was vegetarian before, this nutritional change wasn't totally new to me, although it made a difference in my head.

However, I was still able to go partying, drink lots of alcohol and still go home last of our group at 8am… so I definitely wasn't really less powerful than before. But when it came to sports, it took me a small effort to “trust in me” and start cycling again (e.g. 16km to university one way)! I think that was mainly of my head again, and after raising my general food intake around two weeks after becoming vegan, I had the feeling of being as vital and strong as ever before… sometimes even more than before!

All of this is just another example for a vegan having to accomodate theirself with eating more meals and food a day than omnivores…
jakobh
New Member
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:15 am
Location: Edinburgh

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby baldy » Sat Sep 01, 2012 5:05 pm

jakobh wrote:However, I was still able to go partying, drink lots of alcohol and still go home last of our group at 8am… so I definitely wasn't really less powerful than before. …

Rock star 8)
"A wise man once said, "It's easier to buy smaller clothes, than to put on 5kg." ... Buzz
User avatar
baldy
Site Admin
 
Posts: 7027
Joined: Wed May 09, 2007 10:23 am
Location: Woking, Surrey, England

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby jakobh » Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:19 pm

baldy wrote:Rock star 8)


First duty of a vegan :)
jakobh
New Member
 
Posts: 18
Joined: Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:15 am
Location: Edinburgh

Re: Oh, for $%*#@ sake! Your thoughts are needed...

Postby leenasowambur » Sat Sep 08, 2012 7:26 am

Hi there,

Your circumstances sound somewhat unusual - I train 3 hours a day as a martial artist and I'm vegan and haven't found any issues with blood pressure or fatigue. In my small view and based on my fitness journey I would go to your doctor and get a full blood count done it may be that despite your efforts you are missing some nutrients you mentioned B12 and iron being an issue so it could be a small amount of anemia.

Also my blood pressure is just on the side of being low (bottom of the range if that makes sense) I was told I need to up my salts - it may be that because of your whole foods route you are missing minerals and salt, you will lose more of these through training so a useful item is Himalayan pink salt.

Hope this helps and good luck - keep us updated and well done on becoming vegan and sticking to your guns with the training it cant be easy if you don't have a community in your area.

Leena
leenasowambur
New Member
 
Posts: 11
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:57 pm

Previous

Return to New Vegan

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests