Kata, forms, drills are counter-productive to the actual experience to learning how to fight/self-defense?
We touched on this in a previous thread about street fighting, while I get the point that experience as to be real and on the terms its suppossed to be used for, equating non-alive forms as useless does strike me as correct.
Also if somebody things alive forms are essential, then how do you assess TKD, WC, Aikido?
Any one elses thoughts..
Aikido could be improved as far as street effectiveness if more live traning was incorporated into the practice of the art.
october_lost wrote:tempehmma, the gist of the video can be obtained from just a few minutes viewing. Matt Thornton is basically saying that kata, drills etc are counter productive to actually fighting. Only by practising alive against a resistive opponent can you develop and evolve, and 'dead' practice is isolated and doesnt prepare the student.
I can accept some of this, but I have a number of problems,
1. Kata and drills are actually a product of someones actual fighting experience, how else do we practice solo?
2. How do you practice 'alive' movements which would severly injure students?
3. Alive fighting doesnt necessitate giving you a theory to evolve from.Aikido could be improved as far as street effectiveness if more live traning was incorporated into the practice of the art.
90-80% of Aikido is atemi, movements put alot of tension on wrists and resistant oppoents actually makes the move more dangerous because tension is generated in the muscles. I can see only highly developed Aikidoka practicing alive, but otherwise more sparring would help the art.
As for TKD, it incorporates alot of alive practice (sport), but most of the practicioners Ive come across are nothing short of awful.
october_lost wrote:Cheers, Mango, I can cover some of the ground you have mentioned with some of the arts Im studying, but at the end of the day while we may benefit mentally, if you spend several months/years training in a martial art and you cant defend yourself against some thug is it all worth it?
Fudgam wrote:If shadow boxing is aliveness, then so is kata and forms (I disagree). In no way is it training. It may be good for warming up or getting psyched up real quick before competion, but it is definately not legit training.
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