What is the Most Efficient Style for Street Fighting?

[october_lost]

You also need to see the lower down portion of this thread
http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewt ... light=krav

[tempehmomma]

Sea:
One other thing, KM does not require a lot of physical size or strength to execute the techniques. I used to train with women who could disable me in a minute who had only trained for 2 years. One of my instructors she was 5' 1" 105. I would not mess with her anyday of the week.

[seasiren]

Thanks so much for the info!

I'll have to check to see if there is any instructors in my area. Unfortunately, the locations provided are about 2.5-3 hours 1 way.

[tempehmomma]

Thanks so much for the info!

I'll have to check to see if there is any instructors in my area. Unfortunately, the locations provided are about 2.5-3 hours 1 way.

I thought Maryland was the size of my foot.

[seasiren]

I thought Maryland was the size of my foot.

Not quite! I am way over on the Eastern Seaboard, halfway between delaware and virginia. It takes me about 2 hours (less if I speed) to reach the Bay Bridge going over to Annapolis, DC, Baltimore area. Traffic over the bridge is a bear.

I'll ask around and see what I can find out. I would just be starting, but I'm not in terrible shape and I'm not afraid to get hurt so hopfully that's a help when trying to teach an adult. I may end up having to start another form if I can't find this one.

[tempehmomma]

I thought Maryland was the size of my foot.

Not quite! I am way over on the Eastern Seaboard, halfway between delaware and virginia. It takes me about 2 hours (less if I speed) to reach the Bay Bridge going over to Annapolis, DC, Baltimore area. Traffic over the bridge is a bear.

I'll ask around and see what I can find out. I would just be starting, but I'm not in terrible shape and I'm not afraid to get hurt so hopfully that's a help when trying to teach an adult. I may end up having to start another form if I can't find this one.

I would suggest looking for a MA that emphacises (misspelled) elbow, knee strikes, roundhouse kicks to the knee for striking like muay thai. For grappling judo or BJJ. Although BJJ is expensive BJJ is useful if you get knocked to the ground. Or as discussed in some other thread or this one a school that that teaches crosstraining and learn striking, grappling, and weapons self-defense. Much of the techniques KM teaches are similar to that of muay thai, judo, and BJJ but different variations. I am waiting for someone to start an arguement that KM stole some techniques from the above mentioned MA.

[SpugFab]

Do any of these styles work for someone about half the weight of an average male and much shorter?

You're looking at this the wrong way.

Why not double your weight and then have your pick of styles?

http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4518

[tempehmomma]

Do any of these styles work for someone about half the weight of an average male and much shorter?

You're looking at this the wrong way.

Why not double your weight and then have your pick of styles?

http://www.veganfitness.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4518

She looks fine at her current weight dude. Check out these photos and keep your mouth shut.
http://www.denisenicole.com/photos.htm

[anarchofighter]

to jump in on the original question of best art for street fighting.

I train in Muay thai or thai boxing because i think it is the best at least for me in terms of street fighting. Most people would agree it is the best form of stand up striking. It involves lots of elbows and knees which are supposidly especially effective for street fights. The best part about it is there is no b.s. in terms of "art" Its all practicle striking punching, elbows, knees and kicks(not fancy kicks practicly powerful strikes with you shins) and a little stand up grabbling. The best part about it is you can be competent in 6months to a year (i feel like lots of other martial arts are not actually practicle unless you've done em for several years) and can compete in fights as it is a ring sport.

It defently just stand up but you dont neccesarily want to be on the ground in a street fight especially if there are multiple people. But ultimately it would be good to combine with grappling like jiujitsu.

Anyways I really like it and i feel very confident in it in just 8 months of training.

I also hear Krav manga is really good. Probably more practicle the Muay thai as it is derived from israli military training (right?) and involves everything including weapons.

anyways i'd reccomend muay thai.

[Zaii]

This street vs ring argument crops up a lot, and it comes down to a few factors.

No amount of "dirty techniques" are going to win a fight for you if you don't know what it feels like to be hit/grabbed/tossed around and do the hitting/grabbing/tossing yourself. Live sparring and training is what makes sport fighting what it is, and it's what makes it effective.

An effective delivery system is an effective delivery system, whatever you want to call it. A jab is a jab, no matter what art it shows up in.

Sucker punches suck. No one can train you to defend yourself from a threat that you don't know is there. The thing to do here is to practice being aware of your surroundings, and use common sense, like keeping your head up when you're pushing your groceries to the car instead of looking at the receipt, staying in well-lit areas, etc.

I've found largely that people who are worried about being attacked on the street and are afraid of it often attract their own problems. A number of muggers have said on record that they choose victims based on their posture, walking gait, etc. Confidence indicates that you're not an easy target. Stand tall and relax. Sometimes a smile, a nod, and a friendly "Hello" is enough to disarm a situation before it even starts.

Eye gouges/groin strikes/etc may or may not stop fights. There is no universal OFF button. It's like people have this illusion that somehow if you put a ring fighter in a street fight, he wouldn't also be able to do all of those techniques himself. In fact, he'd probably have a better chance of making them work, as he's used to dynamic movement and could probably put more power behind them too.

As far as groundfighting goes, yes, some fights end up on the ground. Some don't. It's still good to know what to do when/if you get there. The broken glass/gravel/dirty syringes/whatever argument is kind of silly, and assumes that the other person you're rolling on the ground with wouldn't have to deal with the same thing.

The "multiple attackers" angle holds some weight, in the sense that if you're surrounded by a whole gaggle of people, yeah, you're probably going to get your ass kicked, and you're better off running. No matter what you train in, there is no solution to dog pack mentality. The best idea here is to walk with friends if you're in a rough neighborhood, or better yet, don't go to places where you know there's a high risk of getting jumped. If you're stuck in a neighborhood like that, learn confrontation management, and/or buy a gun.

On the other hand, you're not always going to be by yourself when a fight breaks out, especially the way most fights go, being the posturing/pissing contests that they tend to be, you'll be in a group of people. Sportfighters have friends too, and odds are, they're better able to get their hands on somebody and show them a rough time than the friends of the tool who decided it was a good idea to throw his beer on you, or whatever.

So, to the original question: there are several arts that offer effective delivery systems. Muay Thai, Boxing, and Judo, for example. There are many others I didn't name. Basically what you're looking for is training with resisting partners, and a school that will pressure test your techniques.

Best to you.

[Fudgam]

Im not a fight expert. Ive never been in a fight. But I watch ALOT of street fights.

Boxing, Boxing, Boxing.......
Not about wrist locks, throws, takedowns, slams........ its can you throw a punch?

Of course kickboxing and thai boxing, but id say hand work is the most important. Im saying this as a wrestler whos never thrown a punch in my life. I think your boxing skills are the most important.

[tempehmomma]

Basically what you're looking for is training with resisting partners, and a school that will pressure test your techniques.

Zaii:
What do you mean by pressure test your techniques?

[Fudgam]

I think he means competition.

[Zaii]

Basically what you're looking for is training with resisting partners, and a school that will pressure test your techniques.

Zaii:
What do you mean by pressure test your techniques?

Not competition necessarily, but training with people who are actively trying to stop you from executing whatever technique it is you're trying to pull off, and vice versa.

[tempehmomma]

I take that as meaning sparring, boxing or kickboxing, and "live" grappling training in class such as judo or BJJ. I understand. Thanks for clarifying.