What is the Most Efficient Style for Street Fighting?

[Aikiwaza]

Cross-train. Choose one style that trains in grappling primarily and one in striking. If you cannot afford to (time or money wise) train in two or more styles, train in one for a few years before introducing the second.

Escaping kata/forms is near impossible - even BJJ has practise drills, they just don't call them kata. Judo certainly has kata, some pretty extensive.

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

[XcharlieX]

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[tempehmomma]

Cross-train. Choose one style that trains in grappling primarily and one in striking. If you cannot afford to (time or money wise) train in two or more styles, train in one for a few years before introducing the second.

Escaping kata/forms is near impossible - even BJJ has practise drills, they just don't call them kata. Judo certainly has kata, some pretty extensive.

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

What is Chinese San Sao? I have never heard of that MA.

[Aikiwaza]

Cross-train. Choose one style that trains in grappling primarily and one in striking. If you cannot afford to (time or money wise) train in two or more styles, train in one for a few years before introducing the second.

Escaping kata/forms is near impossible - even BJJ has practise drills, they just don't call them kata. Judo certainly has kata, some pretty extensive.

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

What is Chinese San Sao? I have never heard of that MA.

That's because I spelt it wrong - its San Shou.

To give a gross overgeneralization, San Shou is like Chinese Muai Thai, with elbows, knees, punches, kicks and Chin Na (grappling) techniques drawn from various Chinese martial arts. It was founded when the Chinese government were looking for a style to train the military in - the accurate history is all over Google.

EDIT: I'm still not certain what's best in the street. I do however believe being able to avoid confrontation is the safest way, and if you ever do get into a fair 1-on-1 fight you probably found it, not vice versa.

[tempehmomma]

Cross-train. Choose one style that trains in grappling primarily and one in striking. If you cannot afford to (time or money wise) train in two or more styles, train in one for a few years before introducing the second.

Escaping kata/forms is near impossible - even BJJ has practise drills, they just don't call them kata. Judo certainly has kata, some pretty extensive.

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

What is Chinese San Sao? I have never heard of that MA.

That's because I spelt it wrong - its San Shou.

To give a gross overgeneralization, San Shou is like Chinese Muai Thai, with elbows, knees, punches, kicks and Chin Na (grappling) techniques drawn from various Chinese martial arts. It was founded when the Chinese government were looking for a style to train the military in - the accurate history is all over Google.

EDIT: I'm still not certain what's best in the street. I do however believe being able to avoid confrontation is the safest way, and if you ever do get into a fair 1-on-1 fight you probably found it, not vice versa.

I have heard of San Shou. Cung Lee is the baddess man on earth! A GOD

[Technotiger]

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

I wonder, if every style is effective, why don't we see them winning in MMA fights?

[tempehmomma]

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

I wonder, if every style is effective, why don't we see them winning in MMA fights?

A street fight and MMA competition are completely different.
1. Street fights last about 2 minutes and the person who is more agressive and hits hard and fast usually wins. There is stradegy and rounds in competition. Fighters have to conserve their energy.
2. Many strikers in MMA competition are not as agressive against a grappler in a match as they would be against the average guy on the streets beause they have to be concerned about getting put into and arm or leg lock.
3. A street fight could happen at anytime and you could get attacked from a variety of angles when you least expect it. In a match you know when your opponent is going to come at you and you know which style your competition is trained in. In the streets the other guy could be a boxer, a grappler, a kickboxer. And how many hours of film have you watched of the street thug who wants to rip your head off.
4. There are rules in competition.

[Aikiwaza]

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

I wonder, if every style is effective, why don't we see them winning in MMA fights?

Maybe I was being a bit too generous when I said 'most every' style.

Some styles which are legitimate martial arts are not designed for the street - Wu Shu being the prime example. Tai Chi Chuan, while still a martial art in the true sense, is more focused on the chi kung elements of training.

There are styles which outright don't seem to work so well. The style I currently practise, Aikido, doesn't appear very effective at all until you learn the internal aspects, which are only taught to a small few students.

However, I still believe MMA underrates a lot of styles, and these days leaves out the training background of the fighters entirely, so if you watch it for style vs style interest its now pointless. Is Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu less effective than judo? Is San Shuo less effective than kickboxing? I don't think MMA has really resolved many of the questions it could have.

[tempehmomma]

Don't trust everything you see in MMA - a wing chun guy got defeated in the UFC by a judo guy, but this doesn't mean that two different people trained in those styles would not have a different result. I believe that wing chun teaches good techniques, if perhaps underrated by MMA fighters in favour of Muai Thai. And what makes Western kickboxing any better than Chinese San Sao? Be open minded, because I think most every style is effective.

I wonder, if every style is effective, why don't we see them winning in MMA fights?

Maybe I was being a bit too generous when I said 'most every' style.

Some styles which are legitimate martial arts are not designed for the street - Wu Shu being the prime example. Tai Chi Chuan, while still a martial art in the true sense, is more focused on the chi kung elements of training.

There are styles which outright don't seem to work so well. The style I currently practise, Aikido, doesn't appear very effective at all until you learn the internal aspects, which are only taught to a small few students.

However, I still believe MMA underrates a lot of styles, and these days leaves out the training background of the fighters entirely, so if you watch it for style vs style interest its now pointless. Is Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu less effective than judo? Is San Shuo less effective than kickboxing? I don't think MMA has really resolved many of the questions it could have.

What questions? I am not concerned about arguing over which MA is superior to others. The arguements are a bunch of macho guy bull**** and for profit. Many people think that BJJ is superior to other MA but I know a BJJ instructor who teaches his students judo as well because he does not think that BJJ teaches enough takedowns IHO.

[Aikiwaza]

^Well, I think as long as there are seperate styles (and schools within those styles) of martial arts, there will always be these questions - which is more effective, why it didn't win this fight if it is effective, etc. MMA could have entertained those style vs style debates, but it choose to move more into the realm of being a sport in of itself (which is fair enough).

[tempehmomma]

^Well, I think as long as there are seperate styles (and schools within those styles) of martial arts, there will always be these questions - which is more effective, why it didn't win this fight if it is effective, etc. MMA could have entertained those style vs style debates, but it choose to move more into the realm of being a sport in of itself (which is fair enough).

The title of this thread is What is the Most Efficient Style for Street Fighting.

[XcharlieX]

In that case, Dillman Tui-Te Jitsu. He doesn't even have to touch you.

[october_lost]

when it comes to efficiency , nothing is better than wing tsun.

Why do you say nothing is better than wing tsun? I do not know much about the art.

Wing Chun is close quarter fighting and some of the strikes arent the sort of things you would find people linning up for (eye gauges, knee strikes) while I take on board your point about actually finding a place to practice an art against a resistant opponent arent you at the same time limiting yourself really because you dont walk through the theory?

I think a good sylabus of Chi Sao, fast strikes would be good stead for street fighting and some of the toughest people I know was always banging on about WC and not to mention that its also Bruce Lees base art would be criminal.

[seasiren]

Do any of these styles work for someone about half the weight of an average male and much shorter?

[tempehmomma]

Do any of these styles work for someone about half the weight of an average male and much shorter?

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