Firstly, I don't understand why your all misunderstanding James post?
If your don't understand his point is it not best to ask rather than being childish?
[quote="jamesndawson"]Yes, I'm aware that Rise Against isn't and shouldn't be considered responsible for the ads that appear on the same page as their lyrics, etc. Maybe I misworded my observation. The irony and disappointment is how all their passion seems to be just "looked through" and "ignored".
The issues of hyper-insularity, self-marginalization, and poseurism, not only in "punk", but many, many "alternative" sub-cultures, is one that has been taken seriously, explored and bandied about for decades---even by punks, and members of those groups.
The role such subcultural "behaviors" and "dynamics" plays in the progress or hindrance of veganism and animal rights is a legitimate one, based on a sincere concern for animals. "Movement self-criticism" is necessary even though it may make "rank and file" members uncomfortable. The idea that anything less than flattering being broached about somebody's favorite rock band, should be shunned or censored, doesn't seem very good for the trouble-shooting and understanding.
The standstill in progress for veganism alongside its apparent "popularity" puzzles me. I think it's an important question. I respect the efforts and sincerity of Rise Against and many other hardworking vegans for the cause, but I care more about animals and actual progress for them, than staying on the good side of cliques, luminaries, rock stars, et al. I look to the day when veganism is universal and boring, and becomes as obscure in use as the word for most omnivores, "non-cannibal".
It puzzles me, how veganism seems to be ever more present in modern society but change for animals very little.
I do wonder sometimes about the rise in numbers of vegans, especially in ~Uk and USA, I have a sneaky feeling that there is little
substance behind some peoples veganism. This can be said for vegans closely linked to music and subcultural scenes where veganism
I met with Seitan awhile ago and he was/is quite big in the vegan punk scene and we chatted about various things.
One thing that struck me was how many of the people he knew well in the music scene had gone back on their veganism and even startedcgoing to mcDonalds which obviously disappointed Seitan. But how many vegans go back on their veganism, I've heard of quite a few andcit puzzles me and leads to questions of conviction in the first place.
I'm not knocking people going vegan but to go vegan and then go back on your veganism unless for medical reasons is quite pathetic.