Talyn wrote:It's just a lyrics page that someone else owns. Heck, I sometimes used to see non-vegan ads at the bottom of VF - but that doesn't mean anything, does it?
jamesndawson wrote:Yes, I'm aware that Rise Against isn't and shouldn't be considered responsible for the ads that appear on the same page as their lyrics, etc. Maybe I misworded my observation. The irony and disappointment is how all their passion seems to be just "looked through" and "ignored".
The issues of hyper-insularity, self-marginalization, and poseurism, not only in "punk", but many, many "alternative" sub-cultures, is one that has been taken seriously, explored and bandied about for decades---even by punks, and members of those groups.
The role such subcultural "behaviors" and "dynamics" plays in the progress or hindrance of veganism and animal rights is a legitimate one, based on a sincere concern for animals. "Movement self-criticism" is necessary even though it may make "rank and file" members uncomfortable. The idea that anything less than flattering being broached about somebody's favorite rock band, should be shunned or censored, doesn't seem very good for the trouble-shooting and understanding.
The standstill in progress for veganism alongside its apparent "popularity" puzzles me. I think it's an important question. I respect the efforts and sincerity of Rise Against and many other hardworking vegans for the cause, but I care more about animals and actual progress for them, than staying on the good side of cliques, luminaries, rock stars, et al. I look to the day when veganism is universal and boring, and becomes as obscure in use as the word for most omnivores, "non-cannibal".
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