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Postby FAQ » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:27 pm

[quote="Johnboy74"][quote="athenafro"]I'm muslim. AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE?
It's a pity there is a lack of ethnic diversity on this forum
Muslims are not an ethnic group.

[quote="KaliBaby"]it's arguable but I consider being Jewish part of an ethnic group. for example, religion can't explain why I have a characteristically Jewish nose.
Jews are an ethnoreligious group.

Back on topic: I am an atheist. I think I was born a freethinker.
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Postby Gelert » Thu Mar 04, 2010 6:53 pm

[quote="FAQ"]I think I was born a freethinker.

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Johnboy74 » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:01 pm

[quote="FAQ"][quote="Johnboy74"][quote="athenafro"]I'm muslim. AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE?
It's a pity there is a lack of ethnic diversity on this forum
Muslims are not an ethnic group..

you need to do your free thinking and read my message after that one :)
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Postby FAQ » Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:34 pm

[quote="Johnboy74"][quote="FAQ"][quote="Johnboy74"][quote="athenafro"]I'm muslim. AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE?
It's a pity there is a lack of ethnic diversity on this forum
Muslims are not an ethnic group..

you need to do your free thinking and read my message after that one :)
I quoted it so obviously I did read it. :roll:

[quote="Gelert"][quote="FAQ"]I think I was born a freethinker.
:D :lol: :lol: :lol:Gelert what's so funny about that sentence? :?
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Postby KaliBaby » Fri Mar 05, 2010 1:54 am

[quote="FAQ"][quote="Gelert"][quote="FAQ"]I think I was born a freethinker.

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gelert what's so funny about that sentence? :?

is anyone ever really "free" to think for themselves?
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Postby FAQ » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:11 am

[quote="KaliBaby"][quote="FAQ"][quote="Gelert"][quote="FAQ"]I think I was born a freethinker.

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gelert what's so funny about that sentence? :?

is anyone ever really "free" to think for themselves?
I prefer the term freethinker over atheist. Personal preference.

In regard to noses, Palestinian Arabs have similiar noses to Jewish people.
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Postby Gelert » Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:21 am

[quote="FAQ"][quote="KaliBaby"][quote="FAQ"][quote="Gelert"][quote="FAQ"]I think I was born a freethinker.

:D :lol: :lol: :lol:
Gelert what's so funny about that sentence? :?

is anyone ever really "free" to think for themselves?
I prefer the term freethinker over atheist. Personal preference.


I thought you were being deliberately ironic. The idea that you're "born to be..." is the diametric opposite of being a free to think for yourself, y'see.
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Postby FAQ » Fri Mar 05, 2010 3:38 pm

Ok, got it Gelert.
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Postby Asleep on a sunbeam » Fri Mar 05, 2010 4:37 pm

[quote="fredrikw"]atheist, no doubt whatsoever.

faith has nothing to do with proofs, that's why we call it 'faith' or 'beliefs'. the reason I'm atheist is that I don't believe in god, a higher power, or whatever you want to call it, and of course I'm not basing this on a proof that there are none, I just don't believe in it.


[quote="asmallplanet"]Agnostic in that we can't prove they do or don't exist. Yet I don't think reason is the best final arbiter all the time. Faith can be very useful and can provide enough reasons to believe, whether with religion or with trusting our friends, or ourselves.


(just because they're from the first page, I'm picking them out)
It's this sort of post that makes me think.

What is proof?
What criteria do we have for proof?
Now personally I go along with inductive and deductive reasoning. And clearly we need some definitions to go by in order to say anything is or isn't otherwise the statement would lose a hell of a lot of meaning (which is very applicable to the majority of conversations surrounding religion). On the other hand I currently take this view:
I have justified beliefs. What I believe is what I think is true.

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The barrier is perception.
I have my perception.
And there's the real world.

The only way to see how accurate my perception is there would have to be an overseer.
Without that there can only be conditional truths.
If X is true, then it follows that Y must be true.

There are of course issues, like inductive reasoning tends to be defended by using inductive reasoning which is circular. I'd argue that it shows the nature of things.
In case anyone wants clarification on what inductive reasoning is.
[quote=inductive reasoning]
Two basic examples to help people understand what it is.
Example 1:
You find 99% of the swans in the world and all have been white, therefore you conclude that all swans are white.
Example 2:
You let go of a ball after holding it up in mid air.
After doing this 100 times you see that it drops each of 100 times.
Based on this you may conclude that the ball will always drop when it is released in mid air.

Essentially you take at least 2 examples, and if they yield the same results you can then apply them to the concept.
The consensus is that the more examples there are the more accurate the finding.

Due to the nature of the thread I'll leave this here. But there are problems with it (Hume came up with what is generally known as the problem of induction, which has lose connections with Hume's fork).

So essentially I'm atheist. An atheist who likes to blather on about nothing :oops: .
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Postby VeganGraham » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:03 am

I found out what a militant atheist is.
It's someone who leaves leaflets in a prayer room.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/mers ... 549613.stm
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Postby Fallen_Horse » Sat Mar 06, 2010 2:24 am

"The atheist admitted leaving images of important religious figures in sexual poses...."

And this wouldn't be acceptable whether it was religious-based or not...
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Postby Gelert » Sat Mar 06, 2010 10:28 am

Something from the BBC which may be of interest to those pondering Judaism and noses etc. as to whether it constitutes a racial or other group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8550614.stm
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Postby KaliBaby » Sat Mar 06, 2010 11:12 am

[quote="Gelert"]Something from the BBC which may be of interest to those pondering Judaism and noses etc. as to whether it constitutes a racial or other group.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8550614.stm

[quote]"Christianity is my religion, and Judaism is my culture," explains Perez Hamandishe, a pastor and member of parliament from the Movement for Democratic Change (MDC).

I know there are Jews for Jesus out there but I couldn't imagine wearing a cross ever in my life. that's weird territory for me haha. the article was interesting though, thanks Gelert! I don't know that I would consider Jews as a racial group though. on another note, when I was in Addis Ababa, Ethiopia it was sooo cool seeing random Jews walking around!!!
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Postby Hiking Fox » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:28 am

[quote="Johnboy74"][quote="athenafro"]I'm muslim. AM I THE ONLY ONE HERE?


It's a pity there is a lack of ethnic diversity on this forum


How do you know? Very few people have a picture of themselves as their avatar.
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Postby etherspin » Mon Mar 08, 2010 9:54 am

one christian here :D
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