Big Good Wolf wrote:There's a few Fairtrade options for stuff like chocolate and bananas these days, surely it wouldn't be too hard to make fairtrade, ethical porn films.
From what I've see, there's not much in the way of exotic locations, expensives sets and special effects involved. Two vegan actors, a suburban bedroom, a cameraman and away you go. No more than a couple of hundred quid.
I'm not volunteering to take part or buy the finished product, but it's got to be a way to keep everyone happy.
Johnboy74 wrote:I get the impression here that people are seeing porn in a blinkered way (step back and look at the bigger porn picture), men (supposedly) exploiting/fucking women in aggressive/abusive ways...max hardcore or whatever he's called... what about gay porn and more specifically lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians... then again, straight porn made by women targeting women/couples...
Johnboy74 wrote:what about gay porn and more specifically lesbian porn made by lesbians for lesbians
Beck Bristow wrote:That would require more people to think beyond their main issue of men objectifying and exploiting women as being all porn. Be careful, because this might shatter a few notions by speaking the truth about how porn has many categories and many target audiences.
Andrewc wrote:Let's get serious here, who do you really think is the targeted demographic of lesbian porn?
Johnboy74 wrote:Andrewc wrote:Let's get serious here, who do you really think is the targeted demographic of lesbian porn?
Obviously your not aware of genuine lesbian porn! Completely different to male targeted lesbian porn!
Andrewc wrote:Porn may be unethical, immoral, and exploitative, but I do struggle to find an intrinsic link between veganism and the sex industry. Where do you draw the line?
My actions are not dictated by the thought that something may or may not be "vegan". I prefer to make choices based on my own ethics, and those ethics happen to correlate with the ethics of veganism.
With this in mind my choice to not view pornography and to not consume or wear animals are both based on ethics but are separate.
helmut wrote:Beck Bristow, i think its true that people can be exploited in many industries. and yes, just because an industry is notorious for exploitation, it doesn't mean that every single person in it has suffered horrific abuse. but for me, hearing a handful of horror stories is enough.
helmut wrote:i've never heard of any other industry (particularly entertainment related) with such a potential to abuse its workers.
helmut wrote:the outbreaks of HIV and poor STI testing is telling enough. and its not just about men abusing women, though that can often be the case - its about all workers being treated like they are worthless or expendable. interestingly though i have heard that the gay porn industry is much more rigorous with the use of condoms.
helmut wrote:great that you have been able to chat with porn stars through your work. i would be really interested to hear what they have said. but i don't believe that your anecdotal evidence constitutes a good argument that porn is not an exploitative industry - like i said, the figures relating to STIs and HIV are astounding. drug use seems like it is rife (though of course that is based on other anecdotal evidence). so facts and figures aside i guess we are both armed with anecdotal evidence. however i would ask you, do you think people lie about treatment they have received when they have been sexually abused/harassed/exploited etc? do you think people cover up such things? or would you prefer to think that people are more likely to lie and say such things HAVE happened to them when they in fact haven't?
helmut wrote:i have a tendency to think that much of what goes on goes unreported/untold. so the handful of stories we do have are not as isolated as you might think. however that is merely my opinion and based on the idea of other kinds of crimes and abuse that go under or unreported - sexual assault, domestic violence etc.
helmut wrote:in any case, the industry needs a violent overhaul and consumers should be aware of what they are supporting. porn may be indeed vegan by dictionary definition but i suppose i thought i would find an audience in vegans - people who are likely to be empathetic to the suffering of others, human and non human.
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