911 Truth?

[Rubber_Ritchie]

(I felt I should post this after past posts of mine on this subject in which I argued vigirously the other way. I'd like to thank JP and James for helping me see reality).

After a few years of being convinced of a 9/11 cover up/inside job I'm no longer of that view. I've been posting links to internet docs like Loose Change but have come to realise that these so called 'independant' films are cleverly edited propaganda. They use dramatic music combined with carefully selected quotes, footage to put a case together. In a documentary form the 'evidence' is compelling, however when you begin to really look into the facts of 9/11 none of this seems to add up. How many people would have had to be involved in the cover up? The CIA/FBI/government, rescue services, media, etc. I'm sorry, I just don't think there are that many evil people in so many positions of power and public service. I also don't think governments are clever enough to pull this off.

Here is the extensively researched Popular Mechanics article.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technol ... 27842.html

Here is a debate between the authors of the Popular Mechanics article and the makers of Loose Change.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_t ... anics&aq=f

Self proclaimed 'Truthers' say 'do your own research'. What they really mean is 'read the conspiracy sites', 'watch the conspiracy videos'. I have done and this and looked elsewhere is the conclusion I have come to. The offical story is the truth.

[Talyn]

it's an interesting theory and has made a for a solid debate topic for years now.

i voted 'no' myself, but that's due to the fact that i (along with 99.9999% of the world), are never truly going to know what happened.

gosh, i could talk for hours about it

The offical story is the truth.

well, truth is naturally subjective, but that's another debate altogether

[Konstantin]

I'm not voting yet, because your last post Ritchie is very interesting and I want to check out what changed your mind.

Up to now I've been very dissatisfied with the official story because I didn't think it was tenable that the pilots would have the skill, that a plane full of passengers who felt they were going to die would not rush the knifemen, that the NORAD planes wouldn't respond, etc etc. I'm gonna read your links.

[PaulMarsh]

Self proclaimed 'Truthers' say 'do your own research'. What they really mean is 'read the conspiracy sites', 'watch the conspiracy videos'. I have done and this and looked elsewhere is the conclusion I have come to. The offical story is the truth.

Ritchie - having argued and debated with countless truthers - both in person and on-line - your first two sentences above really sums up the crux of the issue - all these guys do is watch clips on You Tube.

Actually reading a book - never mind a fraction of the ever expanding canon of books on Islamist terrorism - is beyond them.

[Johnboy74]

You've gotta be a raving fucking lunatic much like the religious fanatics of Al Qaeda to believe this was an inside job. It is what it is nothing more nothing less. Do we human beings ever learn, it doesn't seem that way, this war (of religions and culture) will go on for many many years.

[Gelert]

Interesting.

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, I think Ritchie is to be admired for having the strength of character to be able to say, whoa, I think my previous ideas about something were wrong. Too many people just dig themselves into a deeper hole rather than having the balls to do that

Anyway. Sure, there will be elements of the 9/11 story that will never be known, there will also be elements which we will never know. But substantially the "official" version is the correct one.

I'd have very little trouble believing the possibility that a very small cell of individuals conceived the operation and then used various radical clerics in the mosques of Hamburg and elsewhere to radicalize the hijackers. Ultimately, that is what happened. Depends on the very fine detail of the identity of that small cell of individuals - Al Qaeda or someone else?

My money's on AQ. Security is a dirty word in most governments these days and whoever came up with the cockup theory obviously worked as a civil servant.

[Fallen_Horse]

I think Ritchie is to be admired for having the strength of character to be able to say, whoa, I think my previous ideas about something were wrong. Too many people just dig themselves into a deeper hole rather than having the balls to do that

Anyway. Sure, there will be elements of the 9/11 story that will never be known, there will also be elements which we will never know. But substantially the "official" version is the correct one.
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Agreed, but the general conspiracy theories are bunk...

[JP]

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, I think Ritchie is to be admired for having the strength of character to be able to say, whoa, I think my previous ideas about something were wrong.

100% true, i hope to show same level of character when my turn comes next - and it always does

[Gelert]

Whichever side of the fence you sit on, I think Ritchie is to be admired for having the strength of character to be able to say, whoa, I think my previous ideas about something were wrong.

100% true, i hope to show same level of character when my turn comes next - and it always does

+1

Agreed, but the general conspiracy theories are bunk...

Agreed, although this one does seem the most plausible:

Cookie Monster Predicted 9-11 - David Icke's Official Forums

[Dave Noisy]

Good call Rubber_Ritchie!

In line with what you said Dubya is waaay to stupid to pull something like this off..i thought that fact alone would debunk the whole topic..

[Hiking Fox]

You've gotta be a raving fucking lunatic much like the religious fanatics of Al Qaeda to believe this was an inside job.

So who the fuck are the 8 tin foil hatters who've voted that way so far?

[Johnboy74]

You've gotta be a raving fucking lunatic much like the religious fanatics of Al Qaeda to believe this was an inside job.

So who the fuck are the 8 tin foil hatters who've voted that way so far?

I'm guessing 8 crazy vegan muthatuckers

[Gelert]

I wonder who the other seven are.

[Hiking Fox]

There's nine now. Nine!!! They walk amongst us, breathing our air!

Who are they? Do they have training logs?

Do they get out much?

Why???

(EDIT : My comments are meant playfully.

Though ... conspiracy theories WTF???)

[xzebrasx]

What's so special about a conspiracy? Do you really find it so hard to believe? How about the countless conspiracies that take place in the "business community" every day? Or all sorts of political/economic conspiracies that are unmasked all the time on TV, in the newspapers, etc.? Or do you believe such things don't ever occur and anyone who says that there are people in the world who aren't always acting in your best interest, is a "raving fucking lunatic"?

That being said, I think the official story is true. But since I haven't really scrutinized it, I can't say I'm 100% convinced.