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Right wing reaction to Obama's healthcare plan

Postby xJimx » Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:14 pm

Just watching the news & programmes like the Daily Show over the last few days, I've been amazed by the level of hysterical opposition to Obama's plan for publically-funded healthcare. It's been particularly interesting to see how the right wing has attacked the National Health Service here in the UK & portrayed it as some kind of evil communist institution.

Apparently a group called the Conservative Association for Patients' Rights has put out an advert featuring an NHS surgeon discussing the woes of his employer - just heard this guy on the radio here & he says that his quotes were used out of context & without permission :roll:

Clearly a lot of opposition to this, as with many of Obama's plans, has racist undertones, however I'd still be interested to hear from US-based folk here as to why some of your compatriots have such an aversion to public healthcare.
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Postby calico » Thu Aug 13, 2009 5:30 pm

Because we have dingbats such as Sarah Palin telling her followers that Obama wants to create Death Panels :
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/200908 ... tico/26078


And sadly there is a % of the US population who will take anything the extremist republicans say, hook line and sinker. Some of them are still angry republicans lost control of congress & white house, and they'll say ANYTHING to discredit this administration.

I also feel that Americans have lost the ability to gather information and make their own decisions. It's easier to pick a party and just do what they say then it is to puzzle out each issue.

And it doesn't help some of the news outlets really cater to those who respond to scare tactics. News hosts are getting in front of the camera to say we'll all suffer from a care "shortage" and our taxes will go sky high to pay the way for all the illegal [non-tax-paying] immigrants who will benefit from it.

The US news, government, and policy are also guided by some very powerful corporations. Pharmaceutical companies, insurance corporations, health care providers, and others stand to lose money if the government gets more control over health care & expenses.

Personally I'm in favor of some sort of reform. It's crazy that people have their coverage dropped the moment they get sick, or that some people can't buy coverage for any amount of money. I am not sure the US is ready for a one-payer system, but I do believe something has got to change.
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Postby thestoatyone » Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:20 pm

BBC article on the issue.

IBD wrote:people such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the UK, where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless


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Postby xJimx » Fri Aug 14, 2009 7:46 am

I heard a BBC report this morning saying that 60% of US personal bankruptcies are due to medical costs; just mind boggling.

I'm curious as to what happens if you're sick & uninsured. Are you literally unable to get treatment?
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Postby thestoatyone » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:24 am

Don't they have clinics where doctors can volunteer free time to give free assessments and then let people beg for drugs?
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Postby seasiren » Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:38 pm

xJimx wrote:I'm curious as to what happens if you're sick & uninsured. Are you literally unable to get treatment?


No, you do get treatment. However after the emergency room you get state care which is a major joke! Thus my sister can't walk, thus everyone is concerned about public health care.

From what I have seen, most Americans are not opposed to public health care at all. They are concerned about how it will be run.... let's face it, they haven't been very clear on it and the people at the top are less then trustworthy in interpretation.
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Postby gauze » Tue Sep 15, 2009 7:48 pm

Rolling Stone ran a huge report on this recently - over 30 mins of reading but well worth it. It's on their site.
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Postby VeganEssentials » Wed Sep 16, 2009 6:48 am

seasiren wrote:No, you do get treatment. However after the emergency room you get state care which is a major joke!


Quite true, which helps those not in the USA know a bit more about how it really works here. Nobody can be denied treatment if they have a medical emergency - you will be taken care of. HOWEVER....the quality of care post-emergency will be minimal at best (once they deem you well enough, you're kicked out of the hospital), and if you don't have insurance, then be prepared to be socked with bills that might be more than a mortgage payment. I have a distant relative who had an emergency quadruple bypass due to a heart attack - he had no insurance, and the cost came out to $75k. He was broke, couldn't pay it, and didn't pay it, and somehow he managed to slip through the cracks as about 10 years later, they stopped calling asking for their money. One of the lucky ones in that regard, I suppose :wink:

I seem to hear all too often from non-Americans that they are under the impression that you could be bleeding to death from a gunshot wound in front of the ER, and that if you didn't have insurance you'd be left to die. Not at all true, but still, it's a terribly bad system if you can't afford insurance.

seasiren wrote:From what I have seen, most Americans are not opposed to public health care at all. They are concerned about how it will be run.... let's face it, they haven't been very clear on it and the people at the top are less then trustworthy in interpretation.


Again, I think you hit it on the nose. Many Americans WANT a public option as well as a private one, but with the current economic state, they're also worried about how it'll impact their bottom line financially for what it could relate to in new taxation. Considering how things are now, how we keep pouring billions into one boondoggle after another, it's mystifying the general public how a nearly $1 trillion plan can be put into effect under massive national debt WITHOUT requiring additional taxation (which our president has said "will not happen"), and without sacrificing the current level of care for those who do have insurance. The plans haven't been made crystal clear, they're quite complex, and that's not satisfactory to many people, which is why it's always a hot button issue for debate.

IF (and I do mean a big "IF") it can actually be done without screwing things up royally and actually improve care for people, it'll be a great thing. However, as someone so eloquently stated to me this week, "The US government could fuck up a handjob" (pardon my language to anyone who may take offense :wink: ), so let's say that there's not a huge amount of faith in things working out as well as the powers that be claim they are going to. Only time will tell where this is going to end up.
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