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Re: whaddya mean EET NO MEET?!?!

Postby Gelert » Thu Sep 30, 2010 4:30 pm

[quote="baldy"][quote="Konstantin"]
Beware of: "if you were on a desert island and you had to starve or eat meat, I bet you'd eat meat. So that means you like meat, so you're a hipocrite, so you should eat meat now". Bloody good point, I've never worked out an answer yet.

I would counter with, if you were on a desert island and you had to starve or eat tofu, I bet you'd eat tofu. 8)
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Re: whaddya mean EET NO MEET?!?!

Postby XkillerX » Fri Oct 01, 2010 8:49 am

[quote="baldy"]I would counter with, if you were on a desert island and you had to starve or eat tofu, I bet you'd eat tofu. 8)


INGENIUS!


I had lots of arguments with people who consider fish vegetables, animals dumb etc.

My main counter is that even though on first appearance, mute people might not show signs of "human behaviour", because life and or nature was very cruel with them, now we know very well that they are just as human as the next person except that they cant speak. So they use sign language, body talk, facial expressions. So do animals. Except that you cant speak animal, can you?

If that doesn't work, there's always the locked in syndrome argument.

Considering 99% don't even know what locked in syndrome means, it terrifies the shit out of them, and the more empathical persons get an insight of what it's like to be a soon-to-be-dead animal in a man's world.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby Konstantin » Fri Oct 01, 2010 10:13 am

Some people, due to age, illness, injury etc. are of very low intelligence. Would it be morally OK to include them in an intensive farming and killing process.

This identifies how ineffective an emotional approach to morality is. 10,000 people die due to poverty yesterday, 80 more die in a South American plane crash. Are you honestly upset by this? Your best mate breaks a toe and has to give up football for 3 months. You feel really sorry for him , cos you like him. Does your emotional response accurately reflect the gravity of the situations?

Same with eating pigs or dogs or babies. So don't.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby Konstantin » Mon Oct 11, 2010 9:04 pm

How did it go Xkillerx?
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby xrodolfox » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:08 am

[quote="Konstantin"]How did it go xkillerx?

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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby vegieburger » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:49 am

[quote="Konstantin"]Some people, due to age, illness, injury etc. are of very low intelligence. Would it be morally OK to include them in an intensive farming and killing process.


[quote="XkillerX"]had lots of arguments with people who consider fish vegetables


Is it ok to intensively farm the people who think that fish are vegetables? :)
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby Konstantin » Tue Oct 12, 2010 12:32 pm

No, but we can fish the vegetables that think they're people.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby XkillerX » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:26 pm

Lovely jubbly, considering nobody showed up.

I mean, N O B O D Y.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby Konstantin » Tue Oct 12, 2010 2:59 pm

Aww shit. Sorry dude.

Happened to me once. We had AR people turn up to support and ONE other person.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby JP » Tue Oct 12, 2010 4:17 pm

[quote="XkillerX"]Lovely jubbly, considering nobody showed up.

I mean, N O B O D Y.


hey thats about as bad as it can be :D But you would normally never leave it down to chance and make sure some people will turn up in advance by having some kind of target audience...

next time maybe pair up with some other groups doing events, maybe enviro group etc?
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby Gelert » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:06 pm

Shite.

It wasn't clashing with a popular event of some kind, e.g. those horrible riots?

[quote="JP"]next time maybe pair up with some other groups doing events, maybe enviro group etc?


Good idea.

Or, if it's a big enough town that nobody'll know that nobody went, do a bit of social engineering on the next set of flyers making it sound like a big success.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby xrodolfox » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:55 pm

Holy shit.
That's the biggest problem I've had with events. Turnout. Always it's about turnout.
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby soniczip » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:19 pm

sorry mate :shock: so disappointing!
i'm focusing on some kind of stuff
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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby XkillerX » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:36 pm

[quote="JP"]next time maybe pair up with some other groups doing events, maybe enviro group etc?


I told you the people who organized it ARE an enviro group! And NONE of their showed up either.

In total we invited more than 1000 people via phone, email, sms, fax, sns, and directly.

I alone received 20 confirmations of presence!

:: wails hands ::

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Re: Public discussion suggestions

Postby Gelert » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:41 pm

OK, don't look at this as an abject failure. You still have 1000 people's contact details. That's a marketer's humid dream. What's the most creative thing you can use this network of contacts to achieve. Think now.
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