Finally Found You!!!

[Mary]

Well, of the two people I went out with before Neil, one went vegan after we broke up, and the other went back to eating meat, so a bit hit and miss really.

[Strix]

if all vegans would only date non-vegans, turn them vegan, dump them and move to next one, the world would be vegan in no time Hence, i voted "undecided"...

Lol! Hey, I kinda like that idea
But, dang, it's hell just finding a real man...And then a vegan one??? I swear, I've never met a vegan (male or female) in my life -- that I know of anyway. I know one woman who calls herself vegetarian, but consumes gelatin and other things...she's not a label reader or concerned about it . My sister went vegetarian, supposedly, but also doesn't concern herself with animal issues or reading labels, etc. I think some people just like to call themselves vegetarian I guess it's fashionable...

[Daniel]

I seem to be incapable of being in a serious relationship with a non-vegan. I've dated some women who weren't vegan and although we liked each other and got along well if she it's vegan it just doesn't work for me. That includes vegetarians. It never goes beyond being close friends. Of course, for me, she also has to be socially conscious and compassionate person as well. I guess I'm just a little pickier than most, but these things are more important to me than looks.

[Strix]

Hey, Daniel, I hear you: I've already surrendered to my lot as a single woman for eternity .
It's really hard to find anyone compatible. I'm pretty accepting of others' shortcomings (according to my own definition) since I want to be accepted for mine ; but there are things I definitely will not deal with.

[Rochellita]

I've never met a vegan (male or female) in my life -- that I know of anyway. I know one woman who calls herself vegetarian, but consumes gelatin and other things...

You have really never met another vegan
Have you ever thought of going to events like AR2004 where I'm pretty sure you'd meet other (and active) vegans?

[Blaz]

I don't object to vegans dating non-vegans/vegetarians, not even having a close relationship with them (I, however, chose the nearest option "Date, yes. Serious relationship, no"), but LIVING with them is another story, unless they converge towards veganism or at least vegetarianism. I believe that love between vegan and non-vegan is an ideal opportunity for transorming a non-vegan to vegan. Love means mutual understanding, and understanding of veganism means feeling the vegan compassion. Therefore, it is impossible for a non-vegan to be in love and live with vegan, but not be moved and not eventually taking over veganism too. It may, however, take time... be patient, the reward can be great.

If the partner ignores your vegan feelings or even makes fun of you, then it is best to authenticate your partner's feelings towards you. Barbara, your partner seems to converge well, so I intrepidly wish you best results. VeganEssentials is a good example. I know a similar and very interesting story, which also ended perfectly.

Combined powers of love and veganism should overcome any resistance!

[mooovert]

never say never but can't imagine it myself. mealtimes will be a mare, the thought of your bf/gf eating meat in front of you in restaurants. yuck.
as a result of this stance (and other personality disorders) i've not had a gf for over 10yrs

[Mary]

Combined powers of love and veganism should overcome any resistance!

Why I love Blaz. Good to have your enthusiastic and positive self back on the board (even though I do repeat myself by saying so.)

[Star_Me_Kitten]

it is impossible for a non-vegan to be in love and live with vegan, but not be moved and not eventually taking over veganism too. It may, however, take time... be patient, the reward can be great.

yeah blaz i like what you're saying. my boyfriend isn't vegan YET but i'm working on him...he eats practically no animal products now and eventually i'm hoping he'll stop completely.

i think that if he wasn't with me he'd be eating loads more meat than he is now so at least my badgering him has made some kind of difference. but i can see why some people would be totally against this and i do sometimes wish i had a vegan boyfriend...

[Strix]

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as a result of this stance (and other personality disorders) ...

Lol. Maybe you shouldn't exclude so many people from your life. I find that being inclusive is much better all around. I don't exclude anyone for any reason -- by race, creed, or religion . Except for the obvious, of course, like misogynists are automatic goners, angry men, liars, criminals...republicans

[mooovert]

strix, i forgot to put a lol after 'disorders' so glad you saw the funny side
i get on with everyone really, i basically have 2 veggie friends and a bunch of great omni ones.
but like others have said, i think i'll always find it impossible to be more that friends with omnis.

ps: did you do dylan thomas at college in the us? didnt realise he was so popular. i'll never forgot my last primary school teacher who was such a fan he put undermilk wood on the stereo every week for all the class to hear!
(it was in wales)

[Blaz]

I love to be loved!

Due to positive feedback to my post, I will sketch the story I know, slightly altered:

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There was a vegetarian girl, who fell in love with a meat-eating boy. The boy lived with his grand-parents (worthless parents left him) and other relatives, who tortured and disdained him, dealing with him as they dealt with their poor chained dog; especially granny was cruel, and her husband was under her thumb. The boy knew no freedom, but he had ideas what Good is, and he looked for it. And he fell in love with the vegetarian girl, who was very attractive. They secretly dated, but they were discovered. The boy’s rich family protested, especially because the girl was non-catholic poor rebel girl. She, however, had several difficulties with her mental health – she felt guilty all the time, and she knew not how to forgive herself neither for the small nor for the unavoidable sins.

The boy swiftly adopted his girlfriend’s ideas of vegetarianism, but he had enough troubles fighting his family and protecting his brave girl that others separated from him. They were attacked and treated badly, but they did not slack. She helped him to gain freedom, and he helped her to meet her subconscious and free her sense of guilt.

Finally, they came of age (18 ) and ran away; the very same day, the boy became vegetarian (the obstacles were over now, he was no longer dependant), then they converged towards veganism. They lived together and they, happy as hardly anyone, still do. HAPPY VEGAN END


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I wish you all the continually happy-ending stories!

[Strix]

Awww, Blaz, that's sweet .

mooovert, I don't think he's as revered here; but I love his work. I think The Hand That Signed the Paper... is brilliant. The Force That Through The Green Fuse Drives The Flower is another I like. My dad's favorite is Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night -- you might appreciate this, mooo : Listen to it here( read by Thomas): http://www.poets.org/poems/poems.cfm?45 ... 0C07040C7A

One thing I find interesting is how we
do revere people long after they've passed, when, in life, even nowadays, we'd most likely shun them, lol. I know I wouldn't particularly want to hang out with a drunk -- genius or not! Haha, but I guess great art comes from "suffering"

[Mary]

Love your story too Blaz.

[Daniel]

Blaz, I also like your story. It is great to have a happy vegan ending, but without the controlling parents and mental illness the story wouldn't work. It is the dark second act that makes the joyous third act work.

Your story actually reminds me a lot of Mary's book Under the Stairs, which follows a similar theme. Especially this part:

The boy lived with his grand-parents (worthless parents left him) and other relatives, who tortured and disdained him, dealing with him as they dealt with their poor chained dog

However, Mary's story lacks a third act, but it is still a great book without the "HAPPY VEGAN END".